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Some people can do this, as you obviously can, others cannot take a life, as I cannot.
Must be nice to be perfect.
So you can't take a life...sweet...but you want to grant permission to someone else to do what you can't...to save you the trouble and agony...that'd be nice if no innocent people would go down with you...but you've forgotten about them, haven't you?
I'm not perfect Robino...maybe you are?..what is perfect to you Robino?..is it people who always agree with you?
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Originally Posted by purehuman
So you can't take a life...sweet...but you want to grant permission to someone else to do what you can't...to save you the trouble and agony...that'd be nice if no innocent people would go down with you...but you've forgotten about them, haven't you?
I'm not perfect Robino...maybe you are?..what is perfect to you Robino?..is it people who always agree with you?
No, I'm not and I get that not all will agree. It is hard enough making the decision to remove life support as the parent wished. I don't want my kids to have to do the same for me. If euthanasia were available when it is my time, I could make that decision long before it got to the point of what is commonly done now.
I just wish you could even see the hypocrisy of it all.
I'm done arguing. It's not going anywhere except in circles. I just hope I've given those with an open mind, food for thought.
Or this???
In your quest to be legally killed when you feel the time is right, have you considered the above?...do you even care?
Or would you sacrifice lives to get what you want...cause it's a given, and proven, that some who don't want death will get it anyways.
You can fight for those "legalities" till the cows come home fisheye....I just hope it never comes about....and yes, I'm very aware that we all die...so?
The "intent" you speak of may be just that...a hope and a prayer...because once it's legal no-one would care anymore what your intent was...especially those that were put to death, yet wanted to live.
You're asking that the same medical professionals that tell you dehydration and starvation are painless, should now also have the right to end your life.
When I die it will be painfree..on my OWN terms...no "legalities" needed.....no risking of other lives needed...no doctors with licence to murder needed...
It's obvious that anyone who feels differently than you will be seen as "twisting this thread".
The question of the forum is not whether you want to die painfree...it is about the "right to die" laws...or more realistically (it should be called) ..."the right to be killed" law.
What don't you get? It is legal now for doctors to starve and dehydrate our elderly to death. Many of us will meet that fate. If you don't believe this; go visit the hospice. These 'decisions' are being made all of the time. But, unfortunately for the patients; it is not an 'easy' death. Doctors tell us that the patients feel nothing; but they are not in the shoes of their patients. Also no patent has ever come back from the grave to tell these doctors that they are full of crap and they did feel terrible pain.
What is so wrong with the right to be killed - if patients so desire that outcome? What is so wrong with planning the time and the painless means of death legally? You keep talking about the abuse in other countries or in our Country; but you fail to see what is happening now. This will be your fate as well as your loved ones if you continue to fight these issues.
Legalized euthanasia is long overdue. It is long past due for people to have 'alternatives' when we think the pain is too great or we do not have the quality of life that defines who we are. We do not need inhumane, archaic, practices at the time of life when we cannot take care of our own needs. Do yourself and us a favor and go visit your local hospice.
What don't you get? It is legal now for doctors to starve and dehydrate our elderly to death. Many of us will meet that fate. If you don't believe this; go visit the hospice. These 'decisions' are being made all of the time. But, unfortunately for the patients; it is not an 'easy' death. Doctors tell us that the patients feel nothing; but they are not in the shoes of their patients. Also no patent has ever come back from the grave to tell these doctors that they are full of crap and they did feel terrible pain.
What is so wrong with the right to be killed - if patients so desire that outcome? What is so wrong with planning the time and the painless means of death legally? You keep talking about the abuse in other countries or in our Country; but you fail to see what is happening now. This will be your fate as well as your loved ones if you continue to fight these issues.
Legalized euthanasia is long overdue. It is long past due for people to have 'alternatives' when we think the pain is too great or we do not have the quality of life that defines who we are. We do not need inhumane, archaic, practices at the time of life when we cannot take care of our own needs. Do yourself and us a favor and go visit your local hospice.
Please explain how you know that the withholding of food and hydration results in "terrible pain"? (I even agree with you that legalized euthanasia is long overdue. What I take issue with is your despcrition of hospice treatment.)
Please explain how you know that the withholding of food and hydration results in "terrible pain"? (I even agree with you that legalized euthanasia is long overdue. What I take issue with is your despcrition of hospice treatment.)
How do you know that it doesn't? Both my mother and father passed away in the hospice. Of course there was the debate on how much pain killer was appropriate; but you are talking about two people that could no longer communicate. My mother looked like she had spasm or waves of pain from her broken hip. On her records it was recorded that she was allergic to opioids. The opioids were withheld until her final day. Of course the end comes very quick in the hospice.
I respect what they do and I would not want that job myself. Also they have their act together; they know how to take care of the terminally ill and provide the amenities to the close relatives. I am not attempting to stop people from going there to die. I am fighting for a better way. If your choice, because of personal or religious convictions, is to live your life to the end - I will not fight that right. I am fighting for an alternative for those that want an alternative.
What don't you get? It is legal now for doctors to starve and dehydrate our elderly to death. Many of us will meet that fate. If you don't believe this; go visit the hospice. These 'decisions' are being made all of the time. But, unfortunately for the patients; it is not an 'easy' death. Doctors tell us that the patients feel nothing; but they are not in the shoes of their patients. Also no patent has ever come back from the grave to tell these doctors that they are full of crap and they did feel terrible pain.
What is so wrong with the right to be killed - if patients so desire that outcome? What is so wrong with planning the time and the painless means of death legally? You keep talking about the abuse in other countries or in our Country; but you fail to see what is happening now. This will be your fate as well as your loved ones if you continue to fight these issues.
Legalized euthanasia is long overdue. It is long past due for people to have 'alternatives' when we think the pain is too great or we do not have the quality of life that defines who we are. We do not need inhumane, archaic, practices at the time of life when we cannot take care of our own needs. Do yourself and us a favor and go visit your local hospice.
Why is it you are so much wanting "the right" to be killed.
Will you suffer mercilessly if this "legality" is not publicly approved?
Will you accept that and suffer because of it?...will you allow strangers to make that decision for you?
You say if you can "plan the time and means of death legally"...why can't you just leave the "legally" out of the statement and go ahead on it....do you think it's right (since it's legal) for a doctor to dehydrate you to death?..like you said, they claim it's painless...yet you would trust them (still) to end your life for you?
Don't presume to know my fate....be more concerned about your own, after all, you could end up being one of the poor people who are LEGALLY dehydrated to death...something that people like you no doubt advocated for and got.
No, I'm not and I get that not all will agree. It is hard enough making the decision to remove life support as the parent wished. I don't want my kids to have to do the same for me. If euthanasia were available when it is my time, I could make that decision long before it got to the point of what is commonly done now.
I just wish you could even see the hypocrisy of it all.
I'm done arguing. It's not going anywhere except in circles. I just hope I've given those with an open mind, food for thought.
Euthanasia doesn't HAVE to be available for you to make a decision "long before it got to the point of what is commonly done now".....course if you wait too long, what "is commonly done now (and according to doctors is humane) and something people seem to accept....even advocate for... will be your fate as well.
What you consider an open mind is a death sentence for many.
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