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Old 05-04-2017, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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DH and I both take statins. No side effects. Millions of people take them with no side effects. Not everyone gets muscle pain or weakness with them.

 
Old 05-05-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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Many yrs and no side effects? I personally know only 1 person who has taken them and the side effects, good grief.
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In large population studies, NOT looking at just one person, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY DO NOT EXPERIENCE SIDE EFFECTS FROM STATINS...

The percentage of folks who DON'T have muscle pain? 80-90 %

So NO it is not RARE to know someone who has had NO side effects from statins....it is more uncommon to know someone who HAS had side effects

Statin side effects: How common are they? - Harvard Health

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Statin use is up, cholesterol levels are down: Are Americans' hearts benefiting? - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications

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Old 05-05-2017, 07:29 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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What exactly is "emotional trauma to a body"
I'm going out a limb here to suggest you are likely not a woman.
 
Old 05-05-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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I never said I thought statins caused fibro, just wanted to see what other ppl thought and see if many ppl had fibro and had taken statins (or not).


Also fibro is the diagnosis when everything is ruled out, Lyme's, RA, thyroid, etc, etc. I was even tested for heavy metal poisoning (negative). WE eat as organic as possible (tho we do eat out occasionally, and at a restaurant all bets are off about the quality of the food) but we do not eat fast food or processed food, I worked in an office, never smoked, alcohol- maybe 1-2 glasses of wine a week, no chemical exposure, or at least minimal- we don't spray for bugs, never used weed killer, etc.


Only thing right now is stress over several things, which I'm working on and are getting better.


And yes, I also do not take medications unless absolutely needed, and even then.....


I have GERD. My doctor (a specialist, not the same dr as before which is my GP), put me on Protonix. It wasn't helping that much (the dr doubled the dose and it still wasn't working all that great) and I was on it about 3 months and my husband noticed I was getting very forgetful. I googled info and it seems that a PPI-Proton Pump Inhibitor- (which protonix is 1) MAY cause dementia. Called my dr and told him I'm not taking it. So now I'm on OTC zantac which works better, plus if needed- I take Tums or Mylanta (which I had to take with the protonix).


So yes, just because a dr put you on meds for something, you don't always need to take it. There may be another way.


I also go to a functional medicine doctor (a Regular dr with extra training). Functional medicine drs treat the ROOT CAUSE of an illness, a "regular" doctor treats the SYMPTOMS of an illness.
Based on the title of THIS thread which YOU started....and this line from your OP

"Can the use of statins cause fibromyalgia"

You clearly DO think statins cause fibromyalgia....why else start this thread?

Also, "Functional Medicine" is nonsense....any health care practitioner can take the couple of online courses required (you only have to pass one) pay their dues and presto....you are a Functional Medicine Practitioner....

https://www.functionalmedicine.org/c...program/About/

This idea that Naturopaths and now Functional Medicine Practitioners treat "the root cause of disease" while "regular" doctors "just treat symptoms" is the most ridiculous load of malarkey around and is propagated by alternative quacks that wouldn't know the "root cause of a disease" if it walked up to them and slapped them in the face....
 
Old 05-05-2017, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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To the person who left me the rep with this unsigned comment:

you would never admit to side effects anyway, in your mind they are so safe

Thanks for the rep points.

There are medications that have caused side effects for me, including Septra, to which I am allergic - got an itchy rash.

I am not a liar, and I resent being called one, especially by someone hiding behind anonymity.
 
Old 05-05-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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I have a lot of experience with fibromyalgia, since I got it when I was about 30. I had terrible pain, which could be anywhere. Doctors told me it was because I was getting old!

I think it was caused by several injuries to my spine, especially a car accident where my neck got slammed.

I worked on improving my spine with yoga, and over many years the pain gradually decreased.

But I never took statins and never will, or any of the other poison drugs.

Cholesterol is NOT the cause of heart disease. Lowering cholesterol does NOT prevent heart disease.

Statin drugs are anti-inflammatory, and that is why they slightly decrease the risk of heart attacks and strokes.

But for that slight benefit, you can suffer very bad long-term consequences. Statins increase the risk of diabetes, and diabetes is one of the leading causes of heart disease!

Taking statins every day is unnatural and interferes with some essential processes. YES NATURAL IS BETTER, even though your MD will deny it.

Statin drugs are just a fad and some day everyone will wonder why.

Also, one of the most common side effects is muscle weakness and pain. So taking statins interferes with your ability to exercise, and it is very well known that exercise benefits all aspects of health.

Don't take statins.
 
Old 05-05-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I have a lot of experience with fibromyalgia, since I got it when I was about 30. I had terrible pain, which could be anywhere. Doctors told me it was because I was getting old!

I think it was caused by several injuries to my spine, especially a car accident where my neck got slammed.

I worked on improving my spine with yoga, and over many years the pain gradually decreased.

But I never took statins and never will, or any of the other poison drugs.

Cholesterol is NOT the cause of heart disease. Lowering cholesterol does NOT prevent heart disease.

Statin drugs are anti-inflammatory, and that is why they slightly decrease the risk of heart attacks and strokes.

But for that slight benefit, you can suffer very bad long-term consequences. Statins increase the risk of diabetes, and diabetes is one of the leading causes of heart disease!

Taking statins every day is unnatural and interferes with some essential processes. YES NATURAL IS BETTER, even though your MD will deny it.

Statin drugs are just a fad and some day everyone will wonder why.

Also, one of the most common side effects is muscle weakness and pain. So taking statins interferes with your ability to exercise, and it is very well known that exercise benefits all aspects of health.

Don't take statins.
Both cholesterol and inflammation are involved in coronary artery disease. Lowering cholesterol does decrease the risk. The more risk factors you have for heart disease, the greater the benefit to taking a statin.

Despite your implication that everyone who takes a statin gets muscle weakness and pain, that is not true. For those that do, changing from one statin to a different one often works.

If your doctor suggests a statin, ask questions, discuss the pros and cons for taking the drug, then make your decision.

A blanket statement of "Don't take statins" is unwise. I choose to take a statin because of a terrible history of heart disease and stroke in my family. I would like to avoid the strokes that disabled and eventually killed my mother, her mother, and her mother's mother.

Strokes and heart attacks are totally natural. I do not think they are better.
 
Old 05-06-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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Both cholesterol and inflammation are involved in coronary artery disease. Lowering cholesterol does decrease the risk. The more risk factors you have for heart disease, the greater the benefit to taking a statin.

Despite your implication that everyone who takes a statin gets muscle weakness and pain, that is not true. For those that do, changing from one statin to a different one often works.

If your doctor suggests a statin, ask questions, discuss the pros and cons for taking the drug, then make your decision.

A blanket statement of "Don't take statins" is unwise. I choose to take a statin because of a terrible history of heart disease and stroke in my family. I would like to avoid the strokes that disabled and eventually killed my mother, her mother, and her mother's mother.

Strokes and heart attacks are totally natural. I do not think they are better.
Strokes are heart attacks are NOT natural, that is another myth. People in non-industrial societies do not get them. No, it is not because they only live to age 40, that is another myth.

There is a genetic disease that causes extremely high cholesterol, but it is rare.

Research has shown that lowering cholesterol does not prevent heart attacks, except for people with that genetic disease. You can look this up.
 
Old 05-06-2017, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Strokes are heart attacks are NOT natural, that is another myth. People in non-industrial societies do not get them. No, it is not because they only live to age 40, that is another myth.

There is a genetic disease that causes extremely high cholesterol, but it is rare.

Research has shown that lowering cholesterol does not prevent heart attacks, except for people with that genetic disease. You can look this up.

Of course all countries have heart disease.

CORONARY HEART DISEASE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
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Old 05-06-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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Strokes are heart attacks are NOT natural, that is another myth. People in non-industrial societies do not get them. No, it is not because they only live to age 40, that is another myth.

There is a genetic disease that causes extremely high cholesterol, but it is rare.

Research has shown that lowering cholesterol does not prevent heart attacks, except for people with that genetic disease. You can look this up.
1. Strokes and heart attacks are NOT natural....wrong

No study needed. CAD leading to heart attack and stroke is "natural" in that it is not external to us and is a failure of bodily organs, body chemistry, etc. Can it be prevented? Risks can be lessened to some degree but not entirely and there is no cure for family history. Ultimately we all have to go sometime and heart attacks and strokes are "natural causes" and found in ALL societies on Earth

2. There is genetic disease that causes extremely high cholesterol but it is rare....wrong

"Based on prevalences between 1/500 and 1/200, between 14 and 34 million individuals worldwide have FH.
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...underdiagnosed

3. People in non industrial nations do not get them....wrong

"In 2001, there were 7.3 million deaths due to CHD worldwide. Three-fourths of global deaths due to CHD occurred in the low and middle-income countries."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864143/

4. It is not because they only live to age 40....wrong

The rapid rise in CHD burden in most of the low and middle and income countries is due to socio-economic changes, increase in life span
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864143/


5. Research has shown that lowering cholesterol does not prevent heart attacks...wrong

"Worldwide, high cholesterol levels are estimated to cause 56% of ischemic heart disease and 18% of strokes, amounting to 4.4 millions deaths annually."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2864143/

Reduction in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels has proved to be highly effective in reducing rates of major cardiovascular events in numerous large outcome trials.1-3 For this reason, LDL cholesterol reduction has been incorporated into practice guidelines as a fundamental means of reducing cardiovascular morbidity and mortality.
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