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Old 09-27-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I will take the grape seed extract until it runs out. I figure it can't hurt and is maybe helping something else. But I am not convinced it is doing anything for my neuropathy, I have been taking it twice a day for 2 months. How long does one need to take it to be effective? I also have it in my vagina. A strange presentation that none of the 5 doctors I have seen already can shed any light on other than its the first time they have seen this combination of neuropathy pain. Imagine wearing a hot coal tampon 24/7.
I am on norotryptoline 50mg that keeps most of the pain at bay, but some days are worse that other. Yesterday I had a lumbar steroid injection. Hopefully in a few days or a week I will get the relief I have been waiting for. But if it does work it just means I will have to have the procedure every 5 months or so.
I would really like to know how this happened to me, but that question may never be answered. My next step is seeing the neuropathy specialist at Stanford.
It is helping a lot and some very very subtle. I have no historical stats on grape seed ex and neuropathy just what I've told you about my friend taking it now 5+ yrs, has her daughter on it as she's so happy she is on it and off the drugs. As I said I'm on another group and they talk about it over there and even discuss resveratrol and neuropathy...both grape seed and resveratrol are of the grape family. I was just looking at one person's posting on resveratrol and neuropathy and I'll look at it again and maybe send it to you.

This is a big issue it appears and you could get a reduced amount of pain over time, how much I don't know no one knows. No clinicals done on this issue and grape seed. Maybe some day. Are you taking 200mg two times a day? Not a bad idea and get a jump on the issue. I'd love for you to get some pain reduction, truly. But it's so innocent and can also work for so much other "stuff"...improved eyes and gums and and and.

Here is the link of Dr. Jack Kruse that a person on the other Nerve Group posted for discussion. See #2 with what Kruse suggests and generally it's a great overview of Neuropathy.

https://www.jackkruse.com/what-is-pe...al-neuropathy/

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Old 10-03-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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How can you be on a drug for 10 years and say you are not addicted?
You eat food every day. Does that mean that you are addicted to food? Some people have pain issues that require pain meds for extended periods of time. Better to have the pain under control than not. Also, what business is it of yours what people choose to do with their life choices?

Doctors or pain clinics only prescribe pain meds for extended periods of time if the patient really needs them.
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Old 10-03-2017, 03:07 PM
 
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i have to admit, jaminhealth, that your tendency to tout grape seed extract as a cure for just about everything causes me to pretty much turn my mind off when you start posting about it.
+1.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I take Tramadol, not sure if it's a opioid or not, can't remember, but I just take it on an as-needed basis, about 3 or 4 times a month, on average. I have fibro and nothing, I mean NOTHING, works for me like Tramadol. I also take Lyrica, but it does not completely squelch the pain when I have to stand a long time or work in the yard, etc.

Actually I take Ultracet, which is a Tramadol/acetaminophen mix....less Tramadol than a pure Tramadol pill. It works about as well as pure Tramadol.

I have never had any problem with addiction, but I don't take it every day, either. I think the people who have been on a low dose for 10 years do not consider themselves addicted because they have not had to up their dosage for it to keep working the same?

Hey, if a person has severe pain that nothing can be done about and an opioid lessens that pain without impairing their functioning, let them have it. Chronic pain is nothing to sneer at.
I'm a nurse in a hospital and notice for quite a few people tramadol/Ultram works much better than opioids like morphine/Vicodin, etc for pain.
I also notice the OP and others responding live in a medical marijuana state. I'm not the type to tout it as a wonder drug and such, but for chronic pain I'd recommend talking to your PCP about it (if it doesn't conflict with your employment status).
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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I also notice the OP and others responding live in a medical marijuana state. I'm not the type to tout it as a wonder drug and such, but for chronic pain I'd recommend talking to your PCP about it (if it doesn't conflict with your employment status).
Good point....I've been discussing, on other threads, wanting to try CBD oil but not actually having done it yet because of the expense....on top of my monthly expense for Lyrica. Just can't add anything extra to the budget right now.

I laughing mentioned to my doc a few months ago that I would be glad when they legalized medical marijuana in my state and his eyes sort of widened, so I'm not sure how open he would be to it. And actually, I'd rather just do the CBD oil and skip the THC altogether, if it would work...and CBD oil is already legal in all 50 states.
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Old 10-04-2017, 08:52 PM
 
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I'm a nurse in a hospital and notice for quite a few people tramadol/Ultram works much better than opioids like morphine/Vicodin, etc for pain.
The literature states that Tramadol is an opioid.

https://drugabuse.com/library/tramadol-abuse/

https://www.drug.education/opiates/t...iate-narcotic/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailyme...rchiveid=28293
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:50 AM
 
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How can you be on a drug for 10 years and say you are not addicted?
Because the condition which causes her chronic pain has lasted 10 years


Not everything can be cured. Many conditions can be managed, but that only goes so far.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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The literature states that Tramadol is an opioid.
I think they may have meant something like, "I'm a nurse in a hospital and notice for quite a few people tramadol/Ultram works much better than other opioids like morphine/Vicodin, etc for pain."
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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Because the condition which causes her chronic pain has lasted 10 years


Not everything can be cured. Many conditions can be managed, but that only goes so far.
Doesn't mean you're not addicted. Opioids are proven to extremely physically addictive. There is no debate about that. My brother was on morphine pills and later fentanyl patches after 3 back surgeries starting when he was 18. He died of an overdose from my prescriptions when he was 38. He was being prescribed opioids for 20 years because he did have legitimate debilitating pain but he was definitely addicted too and he was enabled by his doctors until it killed him. He didn't drink or do any other drugs other then what was prescribed by his doctors. There were many months where he ran out a few days before he could renew because he was addicted and in pain and took more then he was prescribed and for those days when he couldn't get any he was in serious withdrawal and couldn't get out of bed. There are other ways to treat pain that don't have the chance to kill you if you take too much physical therapy and strengthening your weaknesses are a good start. If you are in CA like OP you can also you medical cannabis. High dose edibles will knock out pain as effectively as narcotics and nobody in history has died of a cannabis overdose. There is a time and place for opioids in hospitals under supervision but nobody should be having them handed out to them to take as they please
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Sometimes opioids are still the best solution even with the problems. I think everyone should have the option.

I am sorry for your brother, my husband was in a similar situation, but was well aware of the risks.

I guess the question would be, would he have chosen death over a life of pain.
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