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Old 08-31-2017, 08:21 PM
Location: WA
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It's tempting to judge people who become addicted to pills, any drug or substance, but think about it: Why would anyone choose that life? It's like giving yourself a disease. Addicts are troubled souls, with factors in their upbringing, brain chemistry and genetics that make them extremely vulnerable. Once they get their first taste of opioids they're done.

My first experience with Vicodin could easily have led to me becoming a hardcore addict. After successive surgeries, stopping abruptly after 2 months caused the typical withdrawal symptoms that started after 12 hrs. Severe insomnia was the worst, along with deep bone aches, GI issues, depression and fatigue. It took about a week before I was back to "normal."

But I had a job, a family that would be traumatized, and a support system. Never once did I consider shooting up or buying Oxycontin on the street. If it wasn't covered by insurance forget it.
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:55 PM
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I have been on light opiods for 12 years.....maybe more. Am I addicted? Well, I certainly won't have sweats and chills if I stop. But I will definitely have more pain and life will not be as enjoyable.

I am fairly disciplined and I don't go for BS "religious" or "common wisdom" types of answers in this life. Funny thing - I was listening to an interview on Fresh Air today and Terry asks a singer why they took drugs and drank so much...and at the end of the question, she tacked on an "answer" - like "Did you take drugs and drink in order to ..blah blah".
The woman replies "I took them because I really enjoy them". It was so refreshing to hear that!

We only have one life to live (despite rumors to the contrary). I have to chuckle when some people feel they are being superior by avoiding the temptation to use science and chemistry to improve their lives.

Obviously, some people are not mature enough to handle drugs and drink....but that same goes for everything else also How many parents have kids but are not qualified to do so? Do we stop them from doing so?

Legalize it all - and regulate it somewhat. Let people, like that woman on the radio, say "hey, I take this because it makes me feel good (or better)".

It's about time we left Calvinism behind.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:01 PM
Location: Southwest
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Originally Posted by Aredhel View Post
If you're a heavy coffee drinker and you stop drinking coffee today, you'll have a headache for a few days. That's a physical symptom of withdrawal, but caffeine is not an addictive substance for most people; most folks will just tough the headache out for the few days it lasts and go about their business.

I read it is a mild addiction.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:08 PM
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Originally Posted by curiousgeorge5 View Post
I read it is a mild addiction.
You may read it as that, but it doesn't meet the medical definition of addiction. The psychological craving for MORE DRUG! isn't there.
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Old 09-01-2017, 03:35 AM
Location: Colorado
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Originally Posted by Luvvarkansas View Post
Same here. Who wants to go through life in a fog? Oxycodone did that to my daughter (after wisdom teeth extraction). She had to switch to Tramadol. Good thing I had plenty leftovers, she had it cone on a Friday and both the doctor's office and my local pharmacy were closed over the weekend. The oxy made her very nauseated.

For those with severe chronic pain, they generally do not get a 'high' or feel like they're in a 'fog' from opiates. They simply get some pain relief, usually not full relief. Don't mistake one person's side effects with everyone's side effects. Side effects for all meds are very individual.

Addiction & physical dependence are totally different things. The pendulum will eventually swing back the other way, but not before many people who need pain relief, are denied. The sad part is that very few who are legitimately taking these meds are addicts & people who are addicts will always find a way to get them, no matter how hard it is for law abiding people to get the meds. That seems to escape lawmakers.
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Old 09-01-2017, 05:56 PM
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Location: Los Angeles
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I cannot thank all of you enough for participating in this thread. I feel it is important and as I have said...the media have not talked to us who have been on opioids for years and not all strung out. There is such bad reporting out there. I started out on 25 MCG years ago and I have been on 50 MCG's for the remainder. The pain does not go completely away but certainly makes life bearable. There is a Dr. Thomas Kline on (Twitter) who is out there fighting for us as well as our pain mgmt doctors.
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:16 PM
Location: n/a
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While it's obviously important that those who truly need treatment are able to get it, it's information like this that makes one wonder if we've yet to (or will ever?) reverse this current trend, as it relates to the overall opioid issue.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:27 PM
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I ask this because I have been on an opioid for 10 yrs. Never abused - always have taken as prescribed and on a low dose. That's 10 years. I function quite well. I choose not to drink and have never been a smoker. I have RSD and Fibromyalgia.

I am so frustrated because I hear horror stories of people like me dealing with legit pain and not able to get their pain medications. Let me back up a bit...I am one of the lucky ones who does get my pain medication here in Southern Calif but there are many who are NOT getting theirs...Have we gone way too far on this Opioid Crisis? Have we forgot the people dealing with real pain that have been diagnosed?

It concerns me a lot and I worry for the folks out there being treated horribly. My pain mgmt doctor is absolutely wonderful. He does have to weed out the drug addicts - street addicts. He spent 18 yrs in the Army and worked at Walter Reed and Landstuhl in Germany. He has seen a lot.

I wonder why the media will not interview people like me who have been on an opioid for years and is still standing. Got to tell you - it makes me angry. 

Perhaps it does not fit their agenda - Drug dealers are lacing Heroin with an Elephant Tranquilizer that is killing young people. It's called carfentanil. So dangerous

I'd like to hear from others.
Media outlet like NBC Nightly News are deliberately misleading people on the drug crisis. Sensational reports are actually reporting on heroin addiction but making it sound like it's the fault of prescription pain patients. For example:

Reporter: "Opioid abuse is at epidemic levels". Doctor: "This is probably the worst drug situation in our country"

Title of report: "92 million Americans report opioid use"

What the report doesn't tell you is that NBC is lumping all the heroin addicts in with legitimate users like you, Cali Girl. NBC tries to make the legitimate users sound like the guilty party by not clearly delineating between the people who are really dying--the heroin addicts--from the prescription pain patient opioid users who are not dying--except by suicide. I'm certain the DEA has put the media up to this to try to manufacture a prescription drug crisis so that they can eventually ban them. Even if a patient is lucky enough to get a prescription--not even likely, however--it's even harder to find a pharmacy who stocks them and even they do stock they are very reluctant to dispense them. Most times the pharmacist outright refuses. Listen to the pharmacist say at 1:15 of the video below, "I just don't feel comfortable filling it" And the patient asks, "Why? You've been filling it for the last 5 years.":


Folks, the day is coming shortly when nobody, not even cancer patients will be able to get opioids because little by little the government is shutting down the production of pain pills:

DEA Is Cutting Production Of Prescription Opioids By 25 Percent In 2017 | HuffPost
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:52 PM
Location: Wine Country
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I think pill mills are the biggest reason for the explosion of Vicodin and other opiates. They were and maybe still are big in Florida and some other states. Its just a storefront with an onsite doctor that would write you a scrip for whatever pain you had and then you filled the scrip there as well.
Some people really enjoy the way they feel on the pills and when their scrip runs out they try and get more from their doctor. Real doctors will evaluate whether you really need the pills or not. Pill Mill doctors will just keep writing scrips.
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Old 09-04-2017, 01:09 AM
Status: "Happy Birthday to all October babies." (set 13 days ago)
Location: Los Angeles
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Just a reminder about my case...I have RSD and there is no cure. Taking Fentanyl now for 10 yrs seems to be the only thing that keeps my pain at ease. It does not take away all the pain but it makes life tolerable for me and for getting around. I am proud of myself for not exceeding 50MCG BUT for others they may need more and should not be made to feel shame. As long as they are being checked often by their physician and following the right protocol people should not treat them as if they are drug addicts. Pharmacies have been known to do this...I have used the same pharmacy for years and am lucky as no one has disrespected me but I hear horror stories. Those are the people I will fight for.

My patch has to be changed every 72 hrs. I notice myself starting withdrawals right towards the very end. Not a good feeling but I'm a strong woman and will fight on at this dose that I am at. It's really important to change your patch right at the same time but I can go a couple of hours and do notice a change in how I feel.

I am blessed to have a great team of doctors who look after me. I also have Type 2 Diabetes as well as Disc disease. The RSD is VERY painful. Constant burning - deep pain. Not fun at all. The Fibromyalgia is tough as well and of course affects my joints/muscles. I never in a million years expected to end up with all of this. I always took good care of myself. My world came crashing down in 2004 when I was being diagnosed . I was also in and out of the hospital and they were trying to figure out what was wrong with me. I would not wish all of this on my worse enemy.

I wish the media would stop the hysteria. As I have stated before many of the kids who have overdosed have used street drugs - gone to heroin which is often laced with some bad stuff. Someone mentioned on this thread that "Pot" would be a better alternative than opioids. Well, my Internist is also a Pulmonary Specialist and I asked her about doing the pot and it was a "No" - She had seen too many with lung issues from smoking pot. Smoking the pot is the only effective way to get relief from the pain.

Parents who use narcotics for pain need to be responsible and keep medications locked up - this is also how kids start out by getting into their parents stuff that might be left over from an injury. So many variables and again, the media is not focusing on patients who have been taking their medications (Opioids) as prescribed for years and have NOT OD'd....
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