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Do you actually read and attempt to understand what others have written in this thread? Or do you scan posts for phrases you don't like and react to them?
I caution anyone who's struggling to weigh what you read in this thread with extreme caution. The above is simply wrong as is a lot of the advice in this thread. Avoid dubious sources of information, including much of the New Age and anti-science tainted claims being made here.
We are entitled to have a view alongside the scientific,rational,masculine logic dominated lens in which to view life.My god other views and personal experience,personal wisdom is allowed.To say only the scientific view is allowed is cultish in the extreme.
I was forcibly put on meds that caused me to be unable to sit still - kinaesthesia,chronic constipation and finally brain damage,how wonderful.I didn't see a shaman/healer theyre not around anymore.
Those societies that do still have them have much higher recovery rates for things like schizophrenia,visions etc than we do.
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So why didn't the shaman just cure you or tell you - there's no problem? Why bother with Western medicine?
Sometimes I have to ban myself from reading this subforum. The utter self righteous c&#p I read here is maddening. Arrogant misinformed posts from people who haven't actually suffered from the very ailments they blame on some nebulous collective MD. Posts that condemn medications they've never taken. Make assumptions about every GP they've never used. All this blather that modern MDs don't treat symptoms, don't listen to patients, dole out the pills without a thought. BALONEY!!!! You as patient need to use your brain and must be active in your own care. You must also walk in someone's shoes before determining that their course of treatment is wrong. I don't think I've ever blindly taken medication from an MD without understanding what its benefits are supposed to be, why it was prescribed, how it acts, what other options exist, what possible complications or counter indications exist, etc. Any decent MD will welcome my questions or point me into a direction for further information. I take it upon myself to research after the fact. In any case, medications offered or suggested were optional and in the end it was up to me to accept the outcome. No one has shoved anything down my throat since I was a child. Unless you happen to be a hypochondriac whose waking hours covet such things, commercials for new drugs or new supplements can easily be ignored.
I may or may not choose to believe something I read, but that's not the problem. The point is to read widely and weigh the options critically. If all I choose to read does nothing more than reinforce what I already believe, then it is useless. There is no way I would pontificate on a course of treatment just because I don't need it myself. It is fine to have an opinion. It it NOT fine to condemn someone else especially when it comes to a mental health problem.
Like many members of my family I have a tendency for depression. Its just reality. It has been under control for a long time. As with most patients it took some trial and error to get the right balance of therapy, my own understanding, and medication. No GP ever just doled out the pills. I was referred on to a specialist who used a combination of counseling, education, situational awareness, and medication. I learned to understand what was going on and how to find help to manage it. Now that I "get it" its sort of in the background, my medication need is lower and pretty much unnoticeable. I know what happens when I don't take it for some reason and I also know when I'm heading into trouble.
If you want to believe that you can control your demons with exercise, vitamins, obscure herbs, meditation, fill hours of every day concocting complicated preparations, or that you are an undiscovered shaman, well, more power to you. I hope it works. What you cannot do in good conscience is blame practitioners for courses of treatment or complications in patients YOU have never even met.
So based on two cases you have determined that an entire society has been willingly victimized? You must feel omnipotent. Guess I will know who to call the next time a dear lifelong friend spends the next 6 months in her next BP low. She is the bravest person I know. Be very glad you are not in her shoes. I doubt you could survive it.
Excuse me, but I sat in a padded room with my ADULT daughter when she went into that hospital as her mother. I told her do not do this. Go talk to a Counselor. Having this on her record totally shattered her career path, and 20 years later she deeply regrets this. Got DEEP into dept with that hospital stay WITH health insurance. My daughter has told me, "Mom, you were right." "I regret that". That diagnosis totally shattered her career path, and put her in debt for years WITH health insurance. Her weight ballooned to almost 200 lbs. on those meds and caused other problems.
As I have said, she has been medication FREE for almost 20 years. Do you think she should RUN out and be put on meds today????
BTW, her cousin was also diagnosed bio-polar in her 20's, has been medication free for over 30 years. She raised 3 children and still happily married. Nothing wrong with her either in her almost Senior age.
They want you hooked on meds for the rest of your life. Repeat customers. Big Pharms, and DOCTORS, want you to believe that are God and that the only way you will survive is because of them. BS says this old lady.
Edit: Want me to expand on my and my husband's and his friends (Seniors) experiences on pain meds? I could write a PAPER on that one.
You believe in your "god" and I will believe in mine.
1. Ended up in ER from anti inflammatory drug in the 80's. Stomach ulcer.
2. Went 10 yrs on A/D drugs and my gut kept telling me it's thyroid BUT the numbers the docs used, said thyroid was fine....but the drugs kept rolling on and into my body.
3. I have a couple piles of medical bills from my knee issue as doctors did NOT do an MRI which found the staph infection. I feared losing my leg for months. The medical people won't get another penny from me.
I've been around enough with doctors and meds.
My own daughter ended up in a long rehab with narcotic pain meds.
I've seen a lot and been thru enough so I come from my life experiences.
PS: If you are comfortable with your choices/decisions, then no matter what others say should have a bearing on your ways. I'm forever attacked on my "alternative" healing and that does not change what I do, as it works for me.
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We are entitled to have a view alongside the scientific,rational, masculine logic dominated lens in which to view life.My god other views and personal experience,personal wisdom is allowed.To say only the scientific view is allowed is cultish in the extreme.
You're entitled to believe whatever you like. That doesn't make it true, or real. When people start making statements that may endanger the lives of people struggling with serious illness, some of us are going to speak up and call people out on their dangerous statements.
Nonsense is nonsense, and gender has nothing to do with it. I would encourage those of you tempted to try "shamanic" cures or the like for whatever reason, to consider the following statement from someone who has been living with bipolar for 18 years:
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I have said it before and I will say it again, random, unscientific treatments kill people. It’s not about taking mass amounts of vitamin C, it’s about that fact that someone is taking vitamin C instead of getting real treatment. I don’t really care if you want to think black is white, pray to a god, drink carrot juice daily or have your aura cleansed; what I care about is that you get actual treatment too.
You're entitled to believe whatever you like. That doesn't make it true, or real. When people start making statements that may endanger the lives of people struggling with serious illness, some of us are going to speak up and call people out on their dangerous statements.
Nonsense is nonsense, and gender has nothing to do with it. I would encourage those of you tempted to try "shamanic" cures or the like for whatever reason, to consider the following statement from someone who has been living with bipolar for 18 years:
Oh, and by the way, the author of the above is female, not someone whose view is dominated by "masculine logic".
NO ONE KNOWS how to cure schizophrenia. If you think the drugs provided from the pharmaceutical industry are "real" treatments, you have been brainwashed.
Psychiatrists do not know why drugs can dull certain symptoms. They don't know the causes of mental illness, and they do not have cures.
People with mental illness are, unfortunately, pretty much on their own with trying to figure it out.
And even when the drugs do work to dull symptoms, the long term side effects are unknown.
Ancient and primitive cultures had their own wisdom, and there were some things they understood that modern medicine does not. I am NOT saying they had cures, I have no idea, maybe they did cure some things.
But I absolutely stand by what I said -- our society has gone drug crazy.
And I have traced many lines of evidence to the idea that schizophrenia is, at least sometimes, a spiritual condition. Visions and hearing voices are considered perfectly normal in many traditional societies. Now it's a sure sign of psychosis.
Mt husband's niece, 15 years older than my daughter, was diagnosed bio-polar in the '80s as a young adult. From what I understand that was when they were just beginning to recognize it. They called it then a chemical imbalance in the brain. She had a very troubled teen years, as did my daughter. Think about that. She too tried to commit suicide a few times in her teens and early 20's.
Niece stopped taking meds when she became pregnant with her first child in the early 90's. She is now 50 years old, and has had no problems whatsoever. Do you really think it is going to catch up to her in her OLD AGE? I also heard that this is genetic. So what about all the other family members, especially far older they are? Maybe they should be on medication also, purely as a prevention? If as what has been said, it is a chemical imbalance that starts in teen and young adulthood, it cannot be outgrown with age? That will never be known when it is medicated for life.
Popping pills is the EASY solution. I have worked with both children and adults with disabilities. Give the kid with ADHD some Ritalin for compliance. Drug them, and others, so nobody has to take the time and effort to find another solution to their problems.
NO ONE KNOWS how to cure schizophrenia. If you think the drugs provided from the pharmaceutical industry are "real" treatments, you have been brainwashed.
Psychiatrists do not know why drugs can dull certain symptoms. They don't know the causes of mental illness, and they do not have cures.
People with mental illness are, unfortunately, pretty much on their own with trying to figure it out.
And even when the drugs do work to dull symptoms, the long term side effects are unknown.
Ancient and primitive cultures had their own wisdom, and there were some things they understood that modern medicine does not. I am NOT saying they had cures, I have no idea, maybe they did cure some things.
But I absolutely stand by what I said -- our society has gone drug crazy.
And I have traced many lines of evidence to the idea that schizophrenia is, at least sometimes, a spiritual condition. Visions and hearing voices are considered perfectly normal in many traditional societies. Now it's a sure sign of psychosis.
Well who the heck really knows? Not you.
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