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Old 04-10-2018, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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You know nothing about what happened and your *opinion* is 100% wrong.

Standard of care kills people -- it kills 100,000+ Americans every single year through following the instructions on drug package inserts.

And standard of care killed my uncle. Period. End of story. Don't comment on things you NOTHING about.

If it was standard of care and complications happened that is not the same as a mistake.

We do not know exactly what happened because you choose not to tell us.

Medicine is not killing hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. That number is based on extrapolation from a handful of cases.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-by-medicine/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are...th-in-the-u-s/

 
Old 04-10-2018, 01:40 PM
 
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If it was standard of care and complications happened that is not the same as a mistake.

We do not know exactly what happened because you choose not to tell us.

Medicine is not killing hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. That number is based on extrapolation from a handful of cases.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-by-medicine/

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are...th-in-the-u-s/
You are IGNORANT of my uncle's health, subsequent *care* and death. Do you really believe you can comment on it in a meaningful way??

Seriously: Do you honestly you know everything about everything posted in this forum? YOU DON'T.

And thank you for giving me the perfect opportunity again to post this peer-reviewed article published in one of the top 3 medical journals in the world.

Article published in Journal of the American Medical Association

12 000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
80 000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections inhospitals
20 000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
106 000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications

From
Is US Health Really the Best in the World?
JAMA July 26, 2000—Vol 284,
http://extension.oregonstate.edu/coo...ealth_care.pdf
 
Old 04-10-2018, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey
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Im 47, soon to be 48, and stay as far away from doctors as I can. Everyone that visits one has one ailment or another. My opinion but I'd rather continue life the way I am with no worries, so long as I feel fine.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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A plea to my female friends. If you haven't been to the doctor in a while, GO! My Stacey last October started having severe pain in her back, that finally got her to the doctor for a herniated disk diagnosis that needed surgery. I found her a PCP at my clinic for a pre-op exam and they did an EKG. The doctor asked when she had her HEART ATTACK!!!! Instead of her back surgery on 11/15, she had a triple heart bypass on 11/18 instead.... She is still recovering from that (and had her back surgery mid December). 50 years old.



Fast forward to this past weekend. My neighborhood friend (more my sister's than mine, I ran amuck with her brothers), had a heart attack and passed away on Saturday. Not my place to name names, but I'm not sure if she reached 50 yet. Recently a new grandmother too. Don't say it can't happen to you. It can. Symptoms can be a lot different for women than men. My Stacey had NO CLUE that she had a heart attack. Only showed up on the EKG.



You guys in your late 40's and 50's, you need a physical too, including the dreaded colonoscopy (the prep the night before is worse than the procedure and they give you good drugs to knock you out)
Thank you for starting this thread....

Very important information shared particularly the fact that heart disease in women can present very differently than in men.

This is the type of thread that can save lives....
 
Old 04-10-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Alexander Archipelago
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My Stacey had NO CLUE that she had a heart attack. Only showed up on the EKG..
She had somewhat of a clue, with the severe back pain. A good thing the original misdiagnosis didn't proceed to a completely unnecessary back surgery.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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I can give you what happens when you don't.

My late husband was having mild chest pains, because I was always making him go to the doctor for stuff (rightfully so), I just told him "if you think you should go to the doctor, then go." He didn't. He died of heart attack 2 months later.

He was 43.
Wow, so young sorry to hear that Mikala and sorry for your loss.

I lost my first wife very young and very suddenly as well.

The importance of not ignoring serious symptoms and seeking early care to prevent catastrophic health events cannot be stressed enough.
 
Old 04-10-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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It was only by going for an annual exam at age 51 that a high grade aggressive bladder cancer was found. I had no symptoms nor did I have any of the risk factors. The urologic oncologists said that by time I had symptoms I'd of been terminal. Just a simple urine test as part of an annual physical found it in time to save my bladder, and me.

Two years ago I went for a colonoscopy because I had been told I needed to do it every 5 years due to family history. The doctor acted like I was wasting his time and that I should have waited until 10 years, until he starting finding polyps, 5 in all, one pre-cancerous. Then he changed his tune. Now I'm every two years, but with a different doctor.

Go for annual physicals. Go for colonoscopies. Do the prostate exams. It just may save your life.
Great info Biker and again shows the importance of early screening and detection for cancers that may not have any symptoms until it is too late.

There are posters here who consistently tell people not to bother with testing like colonoscopies, I too had polyps found at my first colonoscopy and I am VERY happy I went through with that test....
 
Old 04-10-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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She had somewhat of a clue, with the severe back pain. A good thing the original misdiagnosis didn't proceed to a completely unnecessary back surgery.
Possibly....but if you read the OP, she did have back surgery as well so it wasn't exactly a mis diagnosis.

The back pain MAY have been a symptom of a cardiac event, in this case, more likely a symptom of her underlying back issue...
 
Old 04-10-2018, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Im 47, soon to be 48, and stay as far away from doctors as I can. Everyone that visits one has one ailment or another. My opinion but I'd rather continue life the way I am with no worries, so long as I feel fine.
You are smart...
 
Old 04-10-2018, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Alexander Archipelago
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Possibly....but if you read the OP, she did have back surgery as well so it wasn't exactly a mis diagnosis.

The back pain MAY have been a symptom of a cardiac event, in this case, more likely a symptom of her underlying back issue...
Oops, missed that she did in fact proceed with the surgery. Interesting. It's uncommon that a sudden onset of severe back pain would call for surgery so quickly, even if there was an obvious cause of the herniation. Sounds dubious to me.
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