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Old 05-03-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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There is no reason today for anyone to die really of colon cancer for example. If detected early enough and or polyps removed and monitored success rates are quite high.
Re-read that, and try and comprehend that truly wealthy people are in fact FAR more likely to have this detected early. If you can't afford to take time off from work for it, you're unlikely to get checked for it.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:18 PM
 
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Re-read that, and try and comprehend that truly wealthy people are in fact FAR more likely to have this detected early. If you can't afford to take time off from work for it, you're unlikely to get checked for it.
Cannot think of a single job that does not give *some* sort of PTO, and even if they didn't there are times when you have to do you first.


Number of "truly wealthy" people in this country is statistically rather small, but yet colon and other cancer death rates are coming down. This is because for everyone else (lower through middle class and so forth) there has been a strong emphasis on education, access to screening, treatment and so forth.


Thanks to "Obamacare" such routine cancer screenings are largely free and incentives are out there for various healthcare networks/hospitals to do them at reduced cost or even free IIRC.


What you'll find often is people like to make excuses as to why they won't go to a doctor or seek healthcare. That is far different than your employer saying "no".
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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its all in the genes. My mom's family lived to be 100 or late 90s- crazy! And they were not rich.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:20 PM
 
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Re-read that, and try and comprehend that truly wealthy people are in fact FAR more likely to have this detected early. If you can't afford to take time off from work for it, you're unlikely to get checked for it.
You can do it on the weekend (not a particularly pleasant weekend) or instead of a couple of vacation days. If it is a matter of life and death, you do it. Almost all insurance covers colonoscopy.
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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One does not have to be "super rich", but merely able to afford access to good and competent medical care.


Each year hundreds if not a thousand or more Americans die from diseases that when caught early are easily treatable. Things like various cancers, coronary disease and so forth.


There is no reason today for anyone to die really of colon cancer for example. If detected early enough and or polyps removed and monitored success rates are quite high. Only time this does not play out well is for certain cancers such as prostrate, colon and so forth when the patient is elderly or very. If someone is 80 years old then quality of life with and after treatment comes into play versus outcome. OTOH if someone is willing to foot the bills out of their own pockets, then some doctor/hospital somewhere will likely say "lets rock".


Poor and or African American or Latino-Hispanic women have the highest infant mortality rates and or die during pregnancy/delivery than whites. This is largely due to inability to access quality pre-natal and L&D care.


Often such women present at an ER or whatever having nil to very indifferent care and have a host of issues ranging from gestational diabetes to eclampsia.
"Quite high" does not mean 100%. There will always be outliers.
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Old 05-04-2018, 03:27 AM
 
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"Quite high" does not mean 100%. There will always be outliers.
Of course, and no one implied a 100% survival rate.


That being said if detected early enough things are far better than in past when your doctor told you to "go home and put your affairs in order".
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:05 AM
 
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Clearly you’ve never heard of Magic Johnson.

Money doesn’t cure every disease or injury but you’re mistaken if you think it generally doesn’t make a huge difference for those who have it versus those who don’t.

With gene editing in the future, we’ll now see the rich taking out those high risk genes of personality disorder or depression or mental illness for their offspring.
Magic Johnson is not cured of HIV. He’s compliant with a cocktail of drugs that have his virus load very low and basically has the virus “sleeping” keeping it from becoming full blown AIDS. There are more than 30 drugs available to the HIV community. He is not unique in having lived for over 20 years since diagnosis. Money has little to do with it.
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:22 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Steve Jobs died from pancreatic cancer that has an extremely poor prognosis even if caught early. A cursory Google search shows that the five year survival rate for pancreatic cancers that are caught early is 25%, so the odds were against him from the beginning of the disease. It's true he didn't necessarily follow the conventional medical treatment, and may have felt he knew more than the medical profession, but that isn't what killed him. He had a very deadly form of cancer. A good friend of mine died from the same cancer, despite having every conventional medical treatment the doctors recommended.

As far as wealthy people living longer due to better health care, I do think there are times when they can get better treatment due to their ability to travel to better clinics and seek out the top specialists in a particular field. However, I think just as important, maybe more important, is their ability to have in-home care. People fare much better in their own homes than in hospitals or nursing homes.

Of course the ability to afford regular check ups and routine testing also factors in, along with a person's genetic predisposition.

Michael Landon and Patrick Swayze both died of pancreatic cancer despite their money. I think more depends on what kind of illness you have.
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Old 05-04-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Of course, and no one implied a 100% survival rate.


That being said if detected early enough things are far better than in past when your doctor told you to "go home and put your affairs in order".
Actually, you did. Below, in blue.

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Originally Posted by BugsyPal View Post
One does not have to be "super rich", but merely able to afford access to good and competent medical care.


Each year hundreds if not a thousand or more Americans die from diseases that when caught early are easily treatable. Things like various cancers, coronary disease and so forth.


There is no reason today for anyone to die really of colon cancer for example. If detected early enough and or polyps removed and monitored success rates are quite high. Only time this does not play out well is for certain cancers such as prostrate, colon and so forth when the patient is elderly or very. If someone is 80 years old then quality of life with and after treatment comes into play versus outcome. OTOH if someone is willing to foot the bills out of their own pockets, then some doctor/hospital somewhere will likely say "lets rock".


Poor and or African American or Latino-Hispanic women have the highest infant mortality rates and or die during pregnancy/delivery than whites. This is largely due to inability to access quality pre-natal and L&D care.


Often such women present at an ER or whatever having nil to very indifferent care and have a host of issues ranging from gestational diabetes to eclampsia.
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Old 05-04-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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My SIL passed away last year from Frontal Lobe Dementia at age 70. Not curable, all that could be done was medication to slow the progression. Eventually, it was going to spread to her involuntary brain bodily functions and she would die. She was on that for 5 years. When the progression did get very bad, both she and the family decided on only pallative care.

My BIL's Mom was at the wake. She just turned 103 and still lives all alone in the house she raised her children in with only a housekeeper coming in to help. Her daughter (74) lives down the street, helps her with cooking, and drives her places; as to the funeral 70 miles away. All his Mom needs is a cane to walk with.

My BIL is 77, takes no meds, and just recently had his first surgery (laser cataract). His older brother (84) came up from Florida for the funeral. He stood up or walked all around for the entire wake. Never sat down. Why not? "I play 18 holes of golf and swim all the time". I hadn't seen any of these people in about 30 years. They all looked pretty much the same.

Rich people? No, they all have very good genes, apparently inherited from their 103 year old Mom.
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