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Old 05-04-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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This is a known fact. People in MA live much longer than someone in MS. Infant mortality is much less also.

Money not only buys power and votes in this country, it buys life itself.

Some of the best examples may not be evident. I have an uncle who died at 64 from a massive heart attack due to stress. The stress was caused by having to work and take care of an aging mom and a challenged cousin. People with money can get help, commit their "problems" to good institutions or day care and not have to do the work of 3 or 4 people.

Stress is a BIG killer...
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Old 05-04-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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Two of my favorites, Bill Paxton and Joan Rivers come to mind.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:19 AM
 
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I maintain the super rich do live longer and are healthier because they have access to the best medical minds and technologies and hospital facilities on earth. When a relative of mine was dying of cancer she told me that the nurses and doctors really did not care if she lived or died. It was hard to get their attention and conversations about new and better ways to cure her were rushed and abrupt.

If someone was a billionaire they could hire a medical team that would devote their life and all their resources and energy to cure that person. They could network with the greatest medical minds in the world and use the most expensive drugs and equipment.

Far more attention than Chuck the bread delivery man dying of cancer in a small hospital in West Virginia.
First off, I agree that they tend to live longer, and that they are healthier. But, there's more than one reason for that, and while some of it is more readily available to those who are wealthy, some of it isn't, and some of it is just easier for those with means to adhere to. And very little of it has to do with the hospital they go to or the doctors they see.

If you look at GHWB's life and lifestyle, he was a healthy and active man all his life. In the last decade or so, he has mostly avoided major health scares, and those that he has are pretty normal for a man his age. He needs a scooter, since he has a form of Parkinsons, and is often seen in a wheelchair these days. Not that much different than anyone else over 85, is it? He isn't kept alive by some revolutionary medication, his Parkinsons wasn't reversed by a revolutionary technique that he could pay for...He's a 93 year old man in declining health. He isn't that different than my grandfather that passed at 91...

I don't necesarily think the "super rich" do better than the middle/upper middle class when it comes to longevity.

Go to the local filling station where Chuck, and Jerry, and Tyrone and Lamar and Bob the (bread delivery guy, pepsi truck guy, roofer, etc) stop to fill up in the morning. Look around. See the massive energy drink they buy, and the pack of Camels, and the sticky bun.

Now go to the filling station in the nicest part of town; many of them hardly have a store to begin with! They aren't buying energy drinks, cigarettes, or sticky buns in such numbers as to have a store for it.

I think it has to do a lot with the lifestyles they can afford to lead, and something to do with the choices they make. I have a lot of 80+, 90+ year old neighbors that were bread delivery types. What do they have in common? They stay active, I see them working in the yard a lot. Married. Seem to enjoy what Ned Flanders would call "clean living." I can't imagine they drink heavily. Don't seem to smoke.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: OHIO
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Yeah, I think it is one factor
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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I think the most you can say is that the rich have a better chance of living longer. Not all of them avail themselves of the opportunity though. Some of the rich want to take chances by flying their private planes into the midst of a storm, and they die. Some of the rich have expensive but risky hobbies and they die. Meanwhile, everyone else is mostly nose to the grindstone, working at their jobs.

Most people have to stay within the constraints of what their health insurance (if they have any) will cover. Even if there's a great specialist nearby, they can't go to them. I knew of some rich people who had worked in South Africa and the wife returned with some horrible form of sleeping sickness. She would collapse and it was never known if she would wake up again. Since they were rich, they went from Boston hospital to hospital until finally, one hospital sent to the Netherlands and then to Germany for medicine to help with the sleeping sickness. (Due to the fact of the Dutch having controlled South Africa.)

Now she's able to drive again and her husband doesn't have to hire a sitter to be on call every time he leaves the house. An ordinary person might have been stuck with an HMO that severely limited the doctors and hospitals they could use.

And what about the wife of Mitt Romney with MS? She doesn't really act like what you'd imagine a person with MS to act like. She's fit and out campaigning for him. Not that she says much, but from what little she has disclosed about her treatment, she can afford to combine regular medicine with the best of alternative medicine so she gets the best of both, with all her medical practitioners working together.

And when I lived near Boston, the rich people availed themselves of the top hospitals and combined that with Chinese medicine for optimum health. They could afford the best MDs and the best of Chinese medicine, and also could afford the practitioners who would actually meet and discuss the best form of treatment so that these rich people got the best of both. If they had cancer, they'd be getting chemo or radiation treatment and the doctors would coordinate that with acupuncture to reduce the side effects. They didn't have to worry about the money--and health insurance doesn't usually cover Chinese medicine. They paid for their treatment out of pocket. It certainly did improve the quality of their lives. Can't prove 100% that it prolonged their lives but the Chinese practitioner told me he and an MD had been working on a lung cancer patient together for at least 11 years and the person was still going strong.

So I think the very rich have more choices and a better chance to live a long life. Whether or not they choose to avail themselves of the opportunities is up to them.
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Old 05-04-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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Yes.

...well unless it's like Alzheimers or one of the few other things a cure actually doesn't exist for yet.
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Old 05-04-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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Facts are facts. More money=live longer.
Sure, we all have anecdotes - but data is data.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...and-death.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ality-lifespan
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Old 05-04-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Magic Johnson is not cured of HIV. He’s compliant with a cocktail of drugs that have his virus load very low and basically has the virus “sleeping” keeping it from becoming full blown AIDS. There are more than 30 drugs available to the HIV community. He is not unique in having lived for over 20 years since diagnosis. Money has little to do with it.
Wow, you missed the fact that Magic Johnson was a black man who caught HIV in 1991 which was when many people were dying from it after it progressed into AIDS.

The only think that saved a black man in 1991 who had HIV from developing into AIDs, was a cocktail of medication only affordable to the rich, a strict diet only affordable to the rich, and strict exercise which the rich have all day to do as opposed to the poor who are forced to work blue collar jobs every day of their lives.

Poor black people in 1991 did not have access to HIV cocktails, perfect meals from chefs, and all day to exercise. They have access to crappy hospitals, fast food, and no time to exercise from their minimal wage job.

Even today, the HIV rate among blacks is disproportionate to other demographics. Half of all gay black males are expected to catch HIV, this means poor people aren't getting the healthcare they need or want to avoid such shocking statistics.


And the rate of AIDS among blacks is still increasing...
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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The cost of prescription medication has skyrocketed even with medical insurance. Some cost $100 per script and if you need several of them every month, that's a lot money for middle-class people. I'm sure Pres. Bush doesn't have a problem with his copays. Insurance doesn't cover certain therapeutic massage or acupuncture as was previously mentioned and for some, that does make pain management possible so that one can continue to work and function. I found out the hard way the limitations of insurance coverage for physical therapy. And don't get me started on insurance coverage and the cost of mental health. Not every doctor accepts insurance. Several years ago, I ended up traveling to another city to see the biggest expert in this specific field and paid $1600 out of pocket per visit (went 3 times). Insurance covered none of it. But by golly, after visiting a dozen doctors, this doctor was able to finally give me a correct diagnosis and specified the correct course of treatment. Made all the difference.

If you have a job and get paid by the hour or the day, even if you are given permission to take time off, you don't get paid. People living in those circumstances may delay or skip medical treatment.
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Facts are facts. More money=live longer.
Sure, we all have anecdotes - but data is data.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...and-death.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ality-lifespan
^ This

There really isn't an argument to be had here....and you don't have to be "super rich" to see the effect

There are so many factors in play here from these and other studies (there have been many)

Honestly the one people keep arguing over, access to "better medical care" is probably the least important of these factors...but it certainly plays a role.

The factors that seem to matter more have to do with lifestyle, amount of education, better diet, more likely to exercise, less likely to smoke, lower stress etc etc
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