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Old 06-02-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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... I was getting ready to cook beans so I put them on to soak that morning.
... decided to wait till the next day to cook the beans so I changed the water and had the pizza.
... I changed the water again and ate pizza. The next day there are little islands of bubbles on the beans but no mold but I was tired, really tired, so I made a protein smoothie and changed the water again. The next night I looked at the beans and almost tossed them but sniffed them and they smelled fine so I decided to cook them. The soup was delicious and I ate a big bowl. I won't go into detail but I will say that all of my problems are solved now, despite the fact that I haven't had bean soup but once since then.
I think that you should repeat this with a one cup serving of dry beans, every month.

Just soak a cup of beans, change the water every day, for four days. After four days of soaking, then cook them.

It sounds like this is a perfect dish for you.

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Old 06-02-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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Never saw neurons described in any textbooks nor lectures when I was in school and grad school as the "thinking part of you". Maybe that'd be a good -though inaccurate- way to describe them to a 5y/o.
Well, in the sense of brains most of us are at that level.

Thoreau certainly was (hopefully you read those pieces from his writing) and I think he is regarded as at least middle school reading.

Sometimes TMI is TMI. I know this much - much of my life was formed by something I saw when I was about 11 years old. A TV show (this was in about 1965!) showed the inside of a persons stomach and the reaction when the person was made to get angry. It was truly amazing..it turned a bright red in reaction. We all know what happens when one is very hungry - and then the things that happen when one eats a full meal (I'm getting sleepy...).

We five year olds like stuff in a form we can understand - like the primary school focused Scientific American:
"A deeper understanding of this mass of neural tissue, filled with important neurotransmitters, is revealing that it does much more than merely handle digestion or inflict the occasional nervous pang. The little brain in our innards, in connection with the big one in our skulls, partly determines our mental state"

Well, now you better write to that pub, because you've heard it twice. If you read actual articles written for we normal human beings, you'd probably find it referenced thousands of times.

Again, something that Thoreau knew about long before they "found" the neurons there. I'll bet Aristotle even knew.......or at least some scholars from long ago. It's fairly obvious to anyone who thinks about it - albeit in a 5 year old fashion.

I would, however, note that my 5 year olds don't know why they are hurting when their bowels or stomach aches....so perhaps you need to upwardly adjust your age compliant statements.

I feel it in my gut. My gut tells me....
I have a Fire in my Belly.
“You know that feeling in the pit of your stomach? Listen to it.”
“Truth is when your mind and your gut agree.”
“Deep down (stomach/intestines) you already know the truth.”
“Never apologise for trusting your intuition – your brain can play tricks, your heart can blind, but your gut is always right.”

Yep, apparently others have referred to your gut neurons as being "thinking"...and, no, I wouldn't expect medical school to teach it to you! But we can both probably agree on one thing - in 500 years they will look back on your medical and grad schools as being stone age....but they will still "trust their guts".
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:35 PM
 
Location: IN
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I need to correct you on something. I never had the alternating diarrhea/constipation, only the constipation. The only time I got diarrhea was with a stomach bug and I haven't had one in years. I did have some problems with diarrhea when my holistic doc put me on anti-parasitics but that stopped as soon as I stopped the pills.

Another interesting piece of the puzzle though and I have no idea if it is significant, is that I have a real problem digesting red meat. I assume it's because I have problems producing enough stomach acid. Conventional docs put me thru a couple of tests, shook their heads and said it must be part of the IBS. Because of this I eat mainly a vegetarian diet but have never felt the yen to go all the way to a vegan diet.
It all goes down to motility; your peristaltic action sucks but you somehow corrected that with the Magic Beans.

I'll be watching this thread as I'm fascinated; I hope a GI doc happens upon it.
My background isn't in clinical medicine and I only have a Master's but I also have a kid with Crohn's (not IBS but affects the gut) so know more about GI function than I should and I have never read ANYthing to support this sort of "miracle"in the literature so please keep us updated!
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Old 06-02-2018, 07:54 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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It all goes down to motility; your peristaltic action sucks but you somehow corrected that with the Magic Beans.

I'll be watching this thread as I'm fascinated; I hope a GI doc happens upon it.
My background isn't in clinical medicine and I only have a Master's but I also have a kid with Crohn's (not IBS but affects the gut) so know more about GI function than I should and I have never read ANYthing to support this sort of "miracle"in the literature so please keep us updated!
Yes, my understanding, which I admit is slim, is that the GI docs don't really understand the mechanism of what causes IBS. I heard this over 20 years ago and have no idea if it's still true but I'd be interested to know. If that's the case then hopefully this can help to fill in one of the blanks anyway, esp if someone smarter than me picks it up and begins to experiment. But remember, they have to pin their own last name to the discovery! LOL My great concern is that something came into my "culture" that may not be replicable.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: IN
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Yes, my understanding, which I admit is slim, is that the GI docs don't really understand the mechanism of what causes IBS. I heard this over 20 years ago and have no idea if it's still true but I'd be interested to know. If that's the case then hopefully this can help to fill in one of the blanks anyway, esp if someone smarter than me picks it up and begins to experiment. But remember, they have to pin their own last name to the discovery! LOL My great concern is that something came into my "culture" that may not be replicable.
They do know that the mechanism of IBS is dysautonomic in nature, i.e., the autonomic nervous system which controls all involuntary functions is causing the gut to react with too fast/too slow peristalsis but that doesn't tell us WHY that happens. Dysautonomia has a wide variety of presentations and is itself often secondary to something else but can occur alone.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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I know this is generic information but what's helped my constipation issues is just eating more whole grains and foods with good fiber.

Things like oatmeal, brown rice, whole grains, etc.

Before I struggled sometimes going only once every few days. But these days it's almost too much, sometimes going four times a day to the restroom.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The cast iron pot may indeed make a difference. Some bacteria do better in an iron rich environment than others! How warm do you think it was in your house those 4 days? And were the beans covered or open to the air? Did these beans taste different than the beans you usually cook? And what did you add to the beans when you cooked them?
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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Yes, my understanding, which I admit is slim, is that the GI docs don't really understand the mechanism of what causes IBS. I heard this over 20 years ago and have no idea if it's still true but I'd be interested to know. If that's the case then hopefully this can help to fill in one of the blanks anyway, esp if someone smarter than me picks it up and begins to experiment. But remember, they have to pin their own last name to the discovery! LOL My great concern is that something came into my "culture" that may not be replicable.
Medical science, until quite recently (if at all), has largely ignored or discredited the mind-body connection (the Eastern way). Now that the field has been at least slightly "infiltrated" by Baby Boomers and their more enlightened children, a more wholistic approach is being taken by some.

While I support medicine remaining "science based", there is also a very strict limitation to that when it comes to addressing our very complex human existence. Many, if not most, of our conditions are lifestyle, diet, societal and environmentally based. Would cancers and IBS and Autism spectrum diseases exist to the same degree if we didn't have these trappings? Of course not - this is already proven. We know modern industrial life with it's pollution, radiation, chemicals, etc. causes vast numbers of cancers....and who knows what else? Doctors can't stop the world from over-development or over-population. They can't stop the burning of fossil fuels nor the corporate rat-race.

This is totally anecdotal - but I have one child who was born "super-woman"...a type A to the max and good at it. Driven...from inside (we surely didn't do it to her - we are laid back old hippies).

She developed a serious auto-immune disorder in her late teens - at the peak of her self-stressing (about college, career choices, etc.). She easily could have risen to the very top of her final career choice (she has engineering and law degrees but went into public interest law)....but decided, and probably for the better, that making that 1/2 million a year would have made her suffer greatly and die young. Of course, she wanted to save the world anyway, so her career fit.

She is able to work 35 hours a week and has massive amounts of vacation and free time and a lifestyle that allows retreats, hiking, snowboarding and many other pursuits. As a result of lifestyle choices and medicines, her serious diseases all basically went away (into very deep remission) and she is healthy as can be. Note that IBS was/is one complaint along with the Auto-Immune stuff.

I've had personal experience with "driving myself sick" and was VERY sick...from over stress. It was the most pain I've ever felt in my entire life (Panic, Anxiety, Insomnia, etc.) and not a thing any doc, friend, spouse or anyone else could do about it. I finally "cured" it by lifestyle and attitude changes...over a relatively long period. That included not exposing myself to negative forces....like the news or even horror movies!

Two doctors I know well (one my cousin and one in my band - both GPs) say that 90% or more of the problems they see are lifestyle based or caused/aggravated. Whether the figure is 60% or 90% doesn't matter much - the point is the same. Medical Science cannot fix us if we put too much radiation and dioxin into the environment (and therefore our bodies). They cannot fix us if we eat improper diets...the cause of many of the worst diseases throughout history.

It's a strange thing. On one hand Medical Science has "cured" major diseases by telling us to eat a piece of fruit or use some brewers yeast - yet on the other hand, wholistic approaches are sometimes considered quackery (I am obviously speaking of only some parts of the trade).

My guess is the IBS is not one thing. That is, it is a syndrome that may have various causes and various "cures" (or factors which can mitigate it). It's fairly clear when the "triggers" are stress, food and hormones that it can be related to the same thing that many such conditions are.....our modern lifestyles.

None of this is very new. It was discovered long ago that "industrial" lifestyle is not healthy - and that brought about all sorts of attempts and movements (Kellogs, Grahams, etc.) to get people out of their everyday stresses and feed them healthier diets. Not to say they had it right, but they did see the damage that modern life can inflict upon us.

Anyway, chances are if you stop working, stop answering the phone, don't watch the news, don't have sick and disabled family to worry about, don't need to make more money and are able to otherwise escape some of modern society - and eat differently - you'd tamp down your symptoms. Easy, eh?

In the bigger picture I'm amazed that more Americans don't want to emulate Germany, Denmark, France and other countries where the quest for the Almighty buck and "success" is given a back seat to a decent a wholesome lifestyle. As it stands now, about double the amount of Americans report feeling pain regularly - as opposed to some other countries. We are obviously driving ourselves sick...and for what?

Anyway, being as this is the Health/Wellness forum, the book I wrote above at least fits the topic and may provide food for thought.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:53 PM
 
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I thought this article was interesting:

https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...ve-your-health
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Old 06-02-2018, 10:14 PM
 
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As an ex-trucker, I would recommend eating some fruit fairly regular.oatmeal and taking cold pressed flaxseed oil.
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