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View Poll Results: After reading the OP in full, what is your take on the current state of pain medication prescription
Pain relief medications are "too severely restricted" for legitimate patients? 120 71.86%
Pain relief medications restrictions are “where they should be” for legitimate pain patients? 20 11.98%
Pain relief medications restrictions are “not restricted enough” for legitimate pain patients? 27 16.17%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-20-2018, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Before the 90's and pill mills, out of control distributions, negligence in the DEA, opiates were not the problem that they are today. I have a good friend who has had rheumatoid arthritis for most of his adult life. He has had neck surgeries. He has had such debilitating pain that he could not walk or stand up for months at a time. Its never going to get better, yet he still has managed to live his life and be as active as he can be with his family. The only way that has been possible is because of the opiates.
I have been on and off of them most of my younger life because of migraines that started when I was a kid. I went to a neurologist who in turn prescribed me codeine, Vicodin, and percodan. This was all before sumatriptan. I never became addicted, even though I had access to those drugs as a teenager. I just thought of them as helping with my pain.

I also think that oxy has had a great advertising campaign with it being in the news so much in the last 20 years. People who never even knew about it probably wondered what the heck all the fuss was about. It started to be a recreational drug. Have you ever heard the joke, 'What is a redneck mating call? Shake a bottle of oxy.'
I heard that joke over 15 years ago!

We simply cannot punish people that are in pain because the government screwed up with this drug. Most people who take it for pain management DO NOT become addicted -in the sense they are doing it for the high. And MOST people who get a scrip of 30 pills for whatever pain they may be experiencing, teeth, broken bone, surgery, etc... do not become addicted either. I am horrified reading some of the stories of people in excruciating pain that cannot get a drug that would help them.
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Old 06-20-2018, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Is it any worse than Alcoholics? Somehow I don't think so...
In general, alcoholics don't die when they relapse.

Most people don't go to rehab for just alcoholism. It is a combo of alcohol and drugs or drugs alone.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Upper Left Hand Corner
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Originally Posted by LLCNYC
Now you lose hearing on Vicodin? Prove it.

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Hearing loss is associated with Vicodin abuse. Abuse, not use.
This pulled up hearing loss with Vicodin, and some other hearing loss items.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Vico...nt=firefox-b-1

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Old 06-20-2018, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Upper Left Hand Corner
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Nobody KNOWS at this point as there's been no long term large studies on it because it's a Schedule 1 drug.
Not so. In an earlier post of mine in this thread I listed two recent reputable studies that are of interest. Here are but a very few of the many other studies out there. We only have to look. I found these with the search terms cbd studies articles except for the last two. Near the end is one specifically about MJ and pain. I'm more interested in what people say about it personally than studies. That is because I know the whole flower works. I have never tried cbd oil yet although would like to.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5569602/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4189631/

17 most compelling studies of 2017

The 17 Most Compelling Studies on CBD from 2017*|*Haleigh's Hope

World Health Organization

http://www.who.int/medicines/access/...es/5.2_CBD.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.52a113469dc0

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317221.php

Scientific American on pain

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ller-epidemic/

https://www.google.com/search?client....0.ySVr1KQ-qk4
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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Do you mean "opioids" These prescription drugs are abused more than any other drugs in the USA and 116 people die per day . Yes, providers, congress, etc. need to put limits. In fact, Congress just voted this week to pass a Bill on regulating opioids.
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:37 AM
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It's funny.....I once had a horrific cough that I couldn't get rid of. My doctor finally had to prescribe me robitussin with codeine. I asked my doc why the codeine. Well apparently the mild euphoric elements of codeine actually serve as a "distraction" in your mind which keeps you from coughing. Sure enough, my cough ended in no time. So you when you hear about legit pain suffers talking about a slight euphoria they might be experiencing with the drug, the freaking media needs to understand that this is supposed to happen to some degree.

Not necessarily. Just as many patients that take opiates for legitimate pain issues experience dysphoria, which is something else the freaking media neglects to mention. The popular opinion seems to be that anyone who takes a Vicodin is just looking to get high. Abusers are looking to get high. Patients are looking to not take those drugs because they hate dysphoria and the other side effects.



And a second sore subject are the urine drug tests required for chronic pain patients. They test to see if you're taking other drugs of abuse from alcohol to cocaine to prescription drugs for which you have no prescription, whether or not you have any medical evidence or psychological signs or history of drug abuse. It wouldn't be legal for the police to do this without some evidence or a warrant, but our govt has our physicians doing it. They also test for the presence of your prescribed opiate pain meds. If they find it, you're frequently presumed to be taking too much, and if it's not present, well then you're obviously diverting your pain meds to someone else.



When did patients with pain become criminals, guilty until proven innocent?
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Do you mean "opioids" These prescription drugs are abused more than any other drugs in the USA and 116 people die per day . Yes, providers, congress, etc. need to put limits. In fact, Congress just voted this week to pass a Bill on regulating opioids.
They are abused because the companies flooded the market with them and high seekers were able to get them at pill mills. That is still happening. The vast majority of chronic pain sufferers and people that get a single scrip to alleviate temporary pain are not addicts and wont become addicts.
We cannot have these pills go into extinction because the manufacturers, distributors, and our own government flooded the market and made billions of dollars creating addicts.
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I fully support a return to full legalization the same as all natural state ag products should be...
Including Peyote and the Heroin poppy?
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Not so. In an earlier post of mine in this thread I listed two recent reputable studies that are of interest. Here are but a very few of the many other studies out there. We only have to look. I found these with the search terms cbd studies articles except for the last two. Near the end is one specifically about MJ and pain. I'm more interested in what people say about it personally than studies. That is because I know the whole flower works. I have never tried cbd oil yet although would like to.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5569602/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4189631/

17 most compelling studies of 2017

The 17 Most Compelling Studies on CBD from 2017*|*Haleigh's Hope

World Health Organization

http://www.who.int/medicines/access/...es/5.2_CBD.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.52a113469dc0

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317221.php

Scientific American on pain

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ller-epidemic/

https://www.google.com/search?client....0.ySVr1KQ-qk4
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You might want to read your own links. This quote from just one of the links you posted says it all.

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A body of research suggests yes, but scientists are having to fight red tape to study whether medical marijuana could substitute for opioid drugs
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Old 06-21-2018, 09:38 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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They are abused because the companies flooded the market with them and high seekers were able to get them at pill mills. That is still happening. The vast majority of chronic pain sufferers and people that get a single scrip to alleviate temporary pain are not addicts and wont become addicts.
We cannot have these pills go into extinction because the manufacturers, distributors, and our own government flooded the market and made billions of dollars creating addicts.
Not only did they flood the market, they PAID to have them prescribed and LIED through their teeth about their addictive properties.
Most every person I know who takes opiates for long term pain relief do not get "high" from them, they get varying degrees of pain RELIEF. Most people I know on opiates would prefer to NOT have to take them.

I guess I/they could switch to a completely legal over the counter numbing elixir called alcohol but we know what that would cause even short term, but at least it's legal and OTC...
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