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Old 07-08-2018, 09:04 PM
 
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An interest aside. The Rockefeller Foundations has saved literally millions...no, tens of million of lives. They financed some of the largest public health and research efforts in history.

But John D, while this was happening...and he financed it...used a Homepathic Doc!

Furthermore, the top researchers he hired (best EVER in the world) that solved many major diseases stated clearly that not a single iota of Homeopathy worked. I truly believe that myself.

But people have been misleading themselves as long as they have existed. They are not going to stop now. They read something in a book or on a web site and their gut tells them it is true. I ate popcorn yesterday and I am healthy today. It must be the popcorn.

Something tells me that reproducible real results - such as the relative taming of the flu, yellow fever, polio, whooping cough and even AIDS....holds a lot more weight than "my research".
Look into who founded the AMA and started medical/pharma schools push.

The real snake oil was western medicine. People were not interested in it. Look into the Rockefellers indeed. LOOk into them. See what was really happening.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Explain why and how the diagnostic criteria for recognizing cases of polio was changed AFTER the vaccine was rolled out, making it next to impossible to diagnose anyone with polio. Which meant polio disappeared. Not from the vaccine. From the CHANGE in diagnostic criteria.

You'll NEVER touch that one. Pure fact. And you RUN from it. Again and again and again.

Wonder why.

Maybe you still think cigarettes are good for you. MD approved. Science always knows best.
This has been explained to you before. You ignore the explanation and then claim no one has explained it to you.

The diagnostic criteria for polio have not been changed.

Polio is not the only virus that can cause acute flaccid paralysis (acute flaccid myelitis).

That is why eliminating polio does not cause all acute flaccid paralysis to go away.

Polio is diagnosed by identifying the polio virus in people who have it.

Diagnosis of polio:

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/us/lab-tes...iagnostic.html

Acute flaccid paralysis:

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/articl...ofv190/2460470

A case is discussed which was caused by West Nile Virus, demonstrating how polio was ruled out and the differential diagnosis of other infections and causes.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:52 PM
 
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Where do the "23%" figure for Bolivia and "3.7%" for Ukraine come from?

What "communicable diseases" do Bolivians get?

It's not diphtheria. No cases there since 2010.

https://knoema.com/atlas/Bolivia/top...phtheria-cases

Pertussis? Some cases, but not enough to account for 23% of the deaths in the country.

https://knoema.com/atlas/Bolivia/top...ertussis-cases

Tetanus? One case in 2011.

factfish Tetanus cases, total for Bolivia

It appears the DPT is doing its job.

So what communicable diseases do Bolivians get?

Maybe just what you would expect from deficiencies in sanitation:

https://unab.berkeley.edu/igmun/WHO/WHO-Bolivia.html

"Major infectious diseases: degree of risk: very high food or waterborne diseases: bacterial diarrhea and hepatitis A vectorborne diseases: dengue fever, malaria, and yellow fever (2013)"

How about Ukraine, with its low DPT uptake? Oops!

Diphtheria: 5 cases in 2012

https://knoema.com/atlas/Ukraine/top...phtheria-cases

Pertussis: 2286 cases in 2012

https://knoema.com/atlas/Ukraine/top...ertussis-cases

Tetanus. 12 to 23 cases per year 2010 to 2012.

factfish Tetanus cases, total for Ukraine

In other words, what you would expect with low DPT uptake.

DPT only protects against the three diseases covered by the vaccine.

Why is vaccine uptake low in Ukraine?

https://m.krytyka.com/en/ukraines-pu...d-consequences

"In Ukraine, doctors fail to be effective vaccine advocates because they lack proper training and rely on information reported by the media, rather than science, to inform their immunization practices. Research conducted by the Brown University Ukraine Collaboration indicates that medical students at Bohomolets National Medical University are inadequately prepared to improve immunization rates.18 For example, almost 30% of surveyed medical students believe that it is 'better' for a child to get immunity by getting sick, rather than through vaccination. Further, almost 60% of the medical students reported that they believe vaccines may cause autism. Both of these beliefs are untrue and have no scientific basis."

Also, shades of "Dr. Bob" Sears:

"In its current form, health care system in Ukraine contributes to the vaccination crisis by creating a market in which it is easier to buy immunization records than it is to receive high quality immunization care."



Your "information" always consists of anecdotes about family and friends and family and friends of friends.

Because your friend's son died of cancer of the mouth does not mean no one is ever cured of cancer.

"Stories" are not data.
What about your story about your son? That's your story isn't it.

And I never said no one was NEVER cured, but I did just get a call tonight that one of our friends passed away from the cancer she's been fighting for a couple yrs.

We do all our life stories, don't live other's lives.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
Where do the "23%" figure for Bolivia and "3.7%" for Ukraine come from?

What "communicable diseases" do Bolivians get?

It's not diphtheria. No cases there since 2010.

https://knoema.com/atlas/Bolivia/top...phtheria-cases

Pertussis? Some cases, but not enough to account for 23% of the deaths in the country.

https://knoema.com/atlas/Bolivia/top...ertussis-cases

Tetanus? One case in 2011.

factfish Tetanus cases, total for Bolivia

It appears the DPT is doing its job.

So what communicable diseases do Bolivians get?

Maybe just what you would expect from deficiencies in sanitation:

https://unab.berkeley.edu/igmun/WHO/WHO-Bolivia.html

"Major infectious diseases: degree of risk: very high food or waterborne diseases: bacterial diarrhea and hepatitis A vectorborne diseases: dengue fever, malaria, and yellow fever (2013)"

How about Ukraine, with its low DPT uptake? Oops!

Diphtheria: 5 cases in 2012

https://knoema.com/atlas/Ukraine/top...phtheria-cases

Pertussis: 2286 cases in 2012

https://knoema.com/atlas/Ukraine/top...ertussis-cases

Tetanus. 12 to 23 cases per year 2010 to 2012.

factfish Tetanus cases, total for Ukraine

In other words, what you would expect with low DPT uptake.

DPT only protects against the three diseases covered by the vaccine.

Why is vaccine uptake low in Ukraine?

https://m.krytyka.com/en/ukraines-pu...d-consequences

"In Ukraine, doctors fail to be effective vaccine advocates because they lack proper training and rely on information reported by the media, rather than science, to inform their immunization practices. Research conducted by the Brown University Ukraine Collaboration indicates that medical students at Bohomolets National Medical University are inadequately prepared to improve immunization rates.18 For example, almost 30% of surveyed medical students believe that it is 'better' for a child to get immunity by getting sick, rather than through vaccination. Further, almost 60% of the medical students reported that they believe vaccines may cause autism. Both of these beliefs are untrue and have no scientific basis."

Also, shades of "Dr. Bob" Sears:

"In its current form, health care system in Ukraine contributes to the vaccination crisis by creating a market in which it is easier to buy immunization records than it is to receive high quality immunization care."



Your "information" always consists of anecdotes about family and friends and family and friends of friends.

Because your friend's son died of cancer of the mouth does not mean no one is ever cured of cancer.

"Stories" are not data.
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Old 07-08-2018, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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What about your story about your son? That's your story isn't it.

And I never said no one was NEVER cured, but I did just get a call tonight that one of our friends passed away from the cancer she's been fighting for a couple yrs.

We do all our life stories, don't live other's lives.
I also said that the cure rate for other children with the same type of leukemia that my son had is now about 90%.

What type of cancer did your friend have? What is the cure rate for people with the same type of cancer she had and the same stage at the time of diagnosis?

Just saying that "one of our friends passed away from the cancer she's been fighting for a couple yrs" tells us nothing.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:35 AM
 
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Regarding my OP, you are right, there is no profit in my theories (so I can fund research), I just want this stuff cured so I believe I can discuss it.

Perhaps I should make a separate thread discussing each theory I have as this thread is just simply about where to go for help in discussing these theories to get some type of testing/research done.

One of the theories I have is that environmental factors - (in this particular theory) indoor VOCs (such as Formaldehyde, benzene and Mold VOCs -mVOC's) and outdoor such as smog etc) will show a link (when researched) to brain inflammation and brain disease. Diseases like depression, Alzheimer, bipolar, dementia, Parkinson's even some cancers and possibly diabetes etc very likely have an environmental trigger. This is one of the theories I have that I would like tested in more detail. I just do not know who will hear me out.

Some have chemical sensitivities but I am speaking on broader terms beyond that. I think even those that do not exhibit symptoms of a chemical sensitivity (which most people do not) will, if exposed long enough and with a high enough concentration, develop brain disease and possibly even some types of cancers.

While popular belief is that brain diseases are solely genetic, or at least strongly genetic, I think many brain disease will ultimately show an environmental link and it will either be from an excessive amount (above average) of these toxins/carcinogens that will have a direct correlation and/or some genetic component that leaves one more susceptible to these external toxins.

Of course, if this were true and discovered, there may be some incentive and strong push back by lobbyist and special interest groups to not to disclose this information simply because there is a lot of money and profit tied up in the manufacturers of these products. Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world where profit is more important than a permanent fix/cure or even knowledge of the true causes in some cases. People and groups are sometimes bought out or shut up because of financial reasons. Fortunately, while this is common, there are some people who truly are more concerned about curing and advancement to ease human suffering and push knowledge further then the "bottom line".

VOCs such as Formaldehyde occur in everyday products for millions of people: Glues (like carpet), plywood, fiberboard, insulation, particleboard, timber paneling, wall paints, some - lotions, shampoos, sunblocks, soap bars, cosmetics, cigarettes, body wash, toothpaste, anti mold sprays, air freshners, furniture etc. Also, molds occur everywhere and have since the beginning of time but in the recent century, they are feasting on our current building materials and in doing so, are releasing mVOCs (mold VOCs). We literally give molds a buffet to take hold and stick around with the common building materials we use.

I personally think these environmental things are inflaming the brain. This brain inflammation, I believe is leading to brain disease such as depression and the other diseases listed. Things like a Serotonin deficiency are just a symptom for SOME people, not the cause, hence why trying to treat a brain disease like depression with Serotonin (with common SSRIs) re uptake inhibitors is not more effective then an active placebo. This may also be why trying to treat major brain diseases have so far really not developed any real significant advancements in treating them over the years. We are treating symptoms, not the cause. Its like trying to treat a noisy knocking damaged engine by spraying a bunch of noise reduction foam in the engine compartment so we dont have to deal with the symptoms of noise as we are driving.

As humans spend more and more time indoors (instead of outdoors) we continue to be exposed to these VOCs and toxins on a more regular basis and for a longer period of time. As these VOCs and things like VOCs in smog continue to increase because of an increasing global population, these brain diseases will most likely continue to increase. At least, that is part of my theory as well.

While the genetic links have been researched in detail, I have a hunch that environmental triggers such as indoor VOCs (Formaldehyde, benzene and Mold VOCs -mVOC's and outdoor VOCs such as smog, etc) will show a link (when researched) to brain inflammation and brain disease. Diseases like depression, Alzheimer, bipolar, dementia, Parkinson's, some cancers and some diabetes etc very likely have an environmental component - from air Quality (both internal and external) and from what else we are putting in our bodies (breathing/consuming/absorbing).

While I am not a specialist in the field of my theories, I have other theories based on my own observations, study, personal experiences and from the experiences of others. I have the ability to see links, commonalities and insights into things that the average person does not. Perhaps I should go back to school and get a specific degree in field of the theory I have. Should I make another thread about this topic so people can discuss it specifically, or leave it here?

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Old 07-09-2018, 07:27 AM
 
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I can't believe anyone in this day and age thinks that vaccines are not effective.

How about polio?? In the early 1950s, polio caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis every year in the US. After polio vaccines were started, there were less than 100 cases in the 1960s and less than 10 in the 1970s. Since 1979, no cases of polio have originated in the United States.

How about measles, mumps, rubella?? After receiving the second dose of the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, or the standalone measles vaccine, 99.7% become immune to measles. The inactivated polio vaccine offers 99% effectiveness after 3 doses. The chickenpox vaccine is between 85-90% effective in preventing all varicella infections, and 100% effective in preventing moderate and severe chicken pox.

Not to mention diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, rotavirus, Hib, and smallpox.

Holy cow, people. I swear it's still the Dark Ages around here.
what's this got to do with the question the ORGINAL poster asked?
Why do you and others jump to turn this thread into a debate on vaccines.
Start your OWN thread if that's what you want....

You can't believe it because you've got your head in the sand...wake up!

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Old 07-09-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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One of the theories I have is that environmental factors - (in this particular theory) indoor VOCs (such as Formaldehyde, benzene and Mold VOCs -mVOC's) and outdoor such as smog etc) will show a link (when researched) to brain inflammation and brain disease. Diseases like depression, Alzheimer, bipolar, dementia, Parkinson's even some cancers and possibly diabetes etc very likely have an environmental trigger. This is one of the theories I have that I would like tested in more detail. I just do not know who will hear me out.



While I am not a specialist in the field of my theories, I have other theories based on my own observations, study, personal experiences and from the experiences of others. I have the ability to see links, commonalities and insights into things that the average person does not. Perhaps I should go back to school and get a specific degree in field of the theory I have. Should I make another thread about this topic so people can discuss it specifically, or leave it here?
I agree with you...I also believe a lot of our diseases and illnesses stem from unhealthy "environmental factors".
I don't believe genetics play into it most of the time.
Good luck finding someone to "hear you out"....the pharmaceutical companies have too strong an influence on doctors...they provide huge incentives to them for pushing their drugs...it's not about finding the cause anymore and then rectifying that....it's about prescribing a drug that will hopefully mask the problem for awhile.
I like your theories.....they may even be fact.....I hope you can find someone who believes and is in a position to help you see it to reality.
Be aware that many, many, many fine doctors have lost their lives because they believed differently and simply tried to share their beliefs with the public.
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Old 07-09-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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Regarding my OP, you are right, there is no profit in my theories (so I can fund research), I just want this stuff cured so I believe I can discuss it.

Perhaps I should make a separate thread discussing each theory I have as this thread is just simply about where to go for help in discussing these theories to get some type of testing/research done.

One of the theories I have is that environmental factors - (in this particular theory) indoor VOCs (such as Formaldehyde, benzene and Mold VOCs -mVOC's) and outdoor such as smog etc) will show a link (when researched) to brain inflammation and brain disease. Diseases like depression, Alzheimer, bipolar, dementia, Parkinson's even some cancers and possibly diabetes etc very likely have an environmental trigger. This is one of the theories I have that I would like tested in more detail. I just do not know who will hear me out.

Some have chemical sensitivities but I am speaking on broader terms beyond that. I think even those that do not exhibit symptoms of a chemical sensitivity (which most people do not) will, if exposed long enough and with a high enough concentration, develop brain disease and possibly even some types of cancers.

While popular belief is that brain diseases are solely genetic, or at least strongly genetic, I think many brain disease will ultimately show an environmental link and it will either be from an excessive amount (above average) of these toxins/carcinogens that will have a direct correlation and/or some genetic component that leaves one more susceptible to these external toxins.

Of course, if this were true and discovered, there may be some incentive and strong push back by lobbyist and special interest groups to not to disclose this information simply because there is a lot of money and profit tied up in the manufacturers of these products. Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world where profit is more important than a permanent fix/cure or even knowledge of the true causes in some cases. People and groups are sometimes bought out or shut up because of financial reasons. Fortunately, while this is common, there are some people who truly are more concerned about curing and advancement to ease human suffering and push knowledge further then the "bottom line".

VOCs such as Formaldehyde occur in everyday products for millions of people: Glues (like carpet), plywood, fiberboard, insulation, particleboard, timber paneling, wall paints, some - lotions, shampoos, sunblocks, soap bars, cosmetics, cigarettes, body wash, toothpaste, anti mold sprays, air freshners, furniture etc. Also, molds occur everywhere and have since the beginning of time but in the recent century, they are feasting on our current building materials and in doing so, are releasing mVOCs (mold VOCs). We literally give molds a buffet to take hold and stick around with the common building materials we use.

I personally think these environmental things are inflaming the brain. This brain inflammation, I believe is leading to brain disease such as depression and the other diseases listed. Things like a Serotonin deficiency are just a symptom for SOME people, not the cause, hence why trying to treat a brain disease like depression with Serotonin (with common SSRIs) re uptake inhibitors is not more effective then an active placebo. This may also be why trying to treat major brain diseases have so far really not developed any real significant advancements in treating them over the years. We are treating symptoms, not the cause. Its like trying to treat a noisy knocking damaged engine by spraying a bunch of noise reduction foam in the engine compartment so we dont have to deal with the symptoms of noise as we are driving.

As humans spend more and more time indoors (instead of outdoors) we continue to be exposed to these VOCs and toxins on a more regular basis and for a longer period of time. As these VOCs and things like VOCs in smog continue to increase because of an increasing global population, these brain diseases will most likely continue to increase. At least, that is part of my theory as well.

While the genetic links have been researched in detail, I have a hunch that environmental triggers such as indoor VOCs (Formaldehyde, benzene and Mold VOCs -mVOC's and outdoor VOCs such as smog, etc) will show a link (when researched) to brain inflammation and brain disease. Diseases like depression, Alzheimer, bipolar, dementia, Parkinson's, some cancers and some diabetes etc very likely have an environmental component - from air Quality (both internal and external) and from what else we are putting in our bodies (breathing/consuming/absorbing).

While I am not a specialist in the field of my theories, I have other theories based on my own observations, study, personal experiences and from the experiences of others. I have the ability to see links, commonalities and insights into things that the average person does not. Perhaps I should go back to school and get a specific degree in field of the theory I have. Should I make another thread about this topic so people can discuss it specifically, or leave it here?
I would assume this type of research has been done or is perhaps even currently going on. There have been many links between the environment and disease (one man spent his entire life trying to show the connection between living near power lines and getting diseases, and even being near electronics devices in the home). Have you done any research into this? Looked through any New England Journal of Medicine studies? Right now your question is too broad. The studies would have to examine each environmental factor individually and link to each disease individually. In any case, I would see what's already been thought of and studied, because I don't think your theory is new.
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Old 07-09-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Clinical trials are for drugs.

Research is for disease causes.

The only way anyone will research this is there is a possible drug that can be developed to manage it. If it's chronic (lifelong) treatment, all the better. Lots of profit there.

If it is a cure? Forget it. No one will be interested as there is no money to be made.

Not much hope for a double-blind clinical trial unless the company running it, if successful, can strike it rich. That's the name of the game.
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