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Old 09-18-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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Still doesn’t explain how a made up story about a person who likely doesn’t exist is a “great post”
As it is a Hawaii person I was curious who this person was..... there was not enough info for me to even look it up.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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What is frustrating is the snails pace that clinical trials and scientific understanding move at.

Clinical trials usually run anywhere from 10 - 20 years. 10 years is a whole decade just to see if one method/medicine works. 10 years is incredibly fast for an clinical trial but it is a very long time just to try one thing. Especially since most clinical trials/medicines do not work/finish from trial start to finish.

Unfortunately, from trial to finish, clinical trials often take more then 10 years.


It is frustrating - but that is the pace of verifiable, repeatable, scientific fact-finding. The responsible thing is to only bring a medicine to market when you are reasonably sure, after all that time, it works and you know what the side-effects are and can let everyone know so that they are informed. Imagine being part of a team that's spent years of research prior to the clinical trials on the new treatment idea, then see their treatment fail in Phase 2 or 3 trials. You could have wasted two decades of life pursuing something that fails at the last hurdle, effectively. Even when medicines are on the market post-release information is still collected in case something negative turns up that needed a bigger sample to show, or took longer to develop. Its a gigantic, complication very regulated and frequently dead end business. Inordinately expensive too - and that's why companies can't just go with every idea offered up.


One thing you can do is identify research university scientists in the field you are proposing and write to them directly. They may be able to point you to academic papers, or other scientists, who have similar ideas or data consistent with your concept.
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Old 09-18-2018, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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What is frustrating is the snails pace that clinical trials and scientific understanding move at.

Clinical trials usually run anywhere from 10 - 20 years. 10 years is a whole decade just to see if one method/medicine works. 10 years is incredibly fast for an clinical trial but it is a very long time just to try one thing. Especially since most clinical trials/medicines do not work/finish from trial start to finish.

Unfortunately, from trial to finish, clinical trials often take more then 10 years.
It can be frustrating that research takes so long. However, people complain when some drugs are "fast-tracked" as well. Or they'll say something has been approved "in Europe" and bash the FDA for not approving it here. And there are many research groups studying many things, so we do learn more than one new thing every 10 years.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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You mean apart from the glaringly obvious one of "because the story fits a dogma the person is supportive of"?
Isn't that the way of most posters?

yeh...lets here the "apart from" part.

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Old 09-20-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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Still doesn’t explain how a made up story about a person who likely doesn’t exist is a “great post”
All assumptions on your part.....
So which parts got you so uptight...is it that the post didn't contain enough info for your satisfaction...or that I called it a great post.

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Old 09-20-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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All assumptions on your part.....
So which parts got you so uptight...is it that the post didn't contain enough info for your satisfaction...or that I called it a great post.
How could it be a great post if the person described in it is unverifiable? How can we confirm that he even exists?
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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...That you have used grape extract and not developed cancer does not mean the grape extract prevented you from getting cancer...

I've never taken grape seed extract and, at age 72, I've never had cancer. So, using her thought process, I guess I can say that not taking grape seed extract is a good way to avoid cancer?
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I've never taken grape seed extract and, at age 72, I've never had cancer. So, using her thought process, I guess I can say that not taking grape seed extract is a good way to avoid cancer?
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:44 AM
 
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In any case, I would see what's already been thought of and studied, because I don't think your theory is new.
It's not..you're right....some have already been proven.
Long known to be true....though unfortunately nothings being done with said knowledge....some is even suppressed...
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Old 02-28-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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It's not..you're right....some have already been proven.
Long known to be true....though unfortunately nothings being done with said knowledge....some is even suppressed...
Sure, and every scientist and corporation in every single country in the world is in on it.
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