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Old 07-07-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Eat good and stay active and you'll not have to contribute to these pharmaceutical companies.
If only that were true. It helps, but there is no guarantee.

 
Old 07-07-2018, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Bloomington, IL
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Eat good and stay active and you'll not have to contribute to these pharmaceutical companies.
Only a deluded control freak would think that eating "good" and staying active will prevent ALL diseases. Do what you can and then treat that which happens anyway. And don't forget genetic factors.
 
Old 07-07-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Eat good and stay active and you'll not have to contribute to these pharmaceutical companies.
Ah, OK, got it. Kindly explain why a 35 YO person doing aerobics 5 days a week, active weekend activities, sticking to a pretty simple organic diet, no alcohol, no smoking, and no family history ends up with non-genetic driven breast cancer.
 
Old 07-07-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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My sister clung to all the drugs she took for MS for probably 25 yrs but lost the battle. the drugs did not "cure" her. I too believe should could have cleaned up her diet but too late...she was sucked into the drugs.
Yeah, if only she would have taken grape seed extract. I'm sure that would have cured her MS.
 
Old 07-07-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Yeah, if only she would have taken grape seed extract. I'm sure that would have cured her MS.
Boy did I ever try to get her to take it, she could have reduced a lot of the effects of the MS. Don't believe this, you can do a search with this disease and this powerful antioxidant.

She listened to the pharma MD's and took their toxic drugs and she's gone...very sad and I can be mad about this too. I tried so hard to help with other than the toxic drugs. The doctors, I wonder did they recommend other than all the drugs, we've lived apart for 50 some yrs so I was not nearby. Not that I would have changed things, but I would have tried. And I know you are being rather cynical.

And there is a LDN group for MS patients and I tried to get her to try this too, it's an Rx too but very cheap. Not the pricey $25K drugs the docs gave her.
 
Old 07-07-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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Ah, OK, got it. Kindly explain why a 35 YO person doing aerobics 5 days a week, active weekend activities, sticking to a pretty simple organic diet, no alcohol, no smoking, and no family history ends up with non-genetic driven breast cancer.

Yep happened to me, positive disposition modest healthy diet, swam-biked-walked, little sugar, no smoking, rarely drink alcohol , and boom estrogen receptor breast cancer. People go on and on about big pharma making billions, but so is the herbal/natural remedy industry.
 
Old 07-07-2018, 07:51 PM
 
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Boy did I ever try to get her to take it, she could have reduced a lot of the effects of the MS. Don't believe this, you can do a search with this disease and this powerful antioxidant.

She listened to the pharma MD's and took their toxic drugs and she's gone...very sad and I can be mad about this too. I tried so hard to help with other than the toxic drugs. The doctors, I wonder did they recommend other than all the drugs, we've lived apart for 50 some yrs so I was not nearby. Not that I would have changed things, but I would have tried. And I know you are being rather cynical.

And there is a LDN group for MS patients and I tried to get her to try this too, it's an Rx too but very cheap. Not the pricey $25K drugs the docs gave her.
The title of your thread is "Curing Patients is Bad for Business"

Yet according to you grape seed extract cures MS and pretty much EVERY KNOWN DISEASE TO MANKIND

If this is true WHY hasn't it caught on??

It's CHEAP....readily available....no one is stopping anyone from taking it or extolling its virtues to the high heavens.....

Maybe....just maybe....because IT DOESN'T WORK....because IF it really did even HALF of what you claim it did on a routine and reproducible basis the demand for this miracle cure would be off the charts...

Yet it isn't......ummmmmmmmm
 
Old 07-07-2018, 08:06 PM
 
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The title of your thread is "Curing Patients is Bad for Business"

Yet according to you grape seed extract cures MS and pretty much EVERY KNOWN DISEASE TO MANKIND

If this is true WHY hasn't it caught on??

It's CHEAP....readily available....no one is stopping anyone from taking it or extolling its virtues to the high heavens.....

Maybe....just maybe....because IT DOESN'T WORK....because IF it really did even HALF of what you claim it did on a routine and reproducible basis the demand for this miracle cure would be off the charts...

Yet it isn't......ummmmmmmmm

I prefer a more moderate and wholistic approach to healthcare and would not want to depend on herbal remedies for health issues but I don’t think it’s fair to outright dismiss traditional medicine or herbal medicine.
In regards to grape seed extract this site has offered its take on it
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263332.php
And before you dismiss my link it’s pro science
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/medical-news-today/

So while grape seed extract may not cure every desease there does seem to be some recognized health benefits.

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Old 07-07-2018, 08:18 PM
 
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I prefer a more moderate and wholistic approach to healthcare and would not want to depend on herbal remedies for health issues but I donít think itís fair to outright dismiss traditional medicine or herbal medicine.
In regards to grape seed extract this site has offered its take on it
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263332.php
And before you dismiss my link itís pro science
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/medical-news-today/

So whike grape seed extract may not cure every desease there does seem to be some recognized health benefits.
The concluding paragraph of your Medical News Today Link:

Some note that while the procyadins can be powerful in lab experiments, grape seed extract appears to have poor bioavailability, which means the body may not absorb it efficiently enough to make it worth using.

In addition, pregnant women should completely avoid taking grape seed extract supplements.

It may be that grape seed extract can offer multiple health benefits, but more research is needed to confirm this.

When and "if" science concludes that grape seed extract is truly beneficial I will change my position.....at present that data is just not available.....anecdotes aside....
 
Old 07-07-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I prefer a more moderate and wholistic approach to healthcare and would not want to depend on herbal remedies for health issues but I donít think itís fair to outright dismiss traditional medicine or herbal medicine.
In regards to grape seed extract this site has offered its take on it
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263332.php
And before you dismiss my link itís pro science
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/medical-news-today/

So while grape seed extract may not cure every desease there does seem to be some recognized health benefits.
The article includes this disclaimer:

"We picked linked items based on the quality of products, and list the pros and cons of each to help you determine which will work best for you. We partner with some of the companies that sell these products, which means Healthline UK and our partners may receive a portion of revenues if you make a purchase using a link(s) above."

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