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Old 07-08-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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Going outside the mainstream conventional methods often does it. Listening to my PRP/Stem Cell MD as I do every weekend, he talks about all those who come to him to "fix" the damage done by conventional methods. The advancing damage from surgeries, I can attest to this one.

Surgery is often necessary but as a last resort or emergency maybe.
Surgery is often necessary and often as the best FIRST resort....have seen many patients over the years that waited too long to have a problem addressed that would have been an easy surgical fix if they came in right away but by waiting and wasting time with "alternative treatments" surgery may no longer be an option or the damage to a joint may have progressed to a point where surgery is less likely to be successful...

Can also attest to personally seeing many, many patients over the years who come in to have their Orthopaedic issues "fixed" after wasting time with alternative practitioners and Regenerative Medicine quacks....

Unfortunately for them, the damage often can't be undone.....so yeah going "outside the mainstream conventional medicine methods" often does it alright....often does more harm
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Old 07-08-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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I don’t know if that would work as nothing is torn or damaged . The doctor I keep going to thinks my
Cartilidge under my knee cap is inflamed so he gave me the cortisone after 3 months of PT not working and for 3-4 days my knee felt 100% but now it’s back to day 1 debilitating
Are you seeing a good Sport's Medicine Physiatrist (physical medicine and rehabilitation)?

If not, find one: https://health.usnews.com/doctors/lo...hysiatrists://
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Old 07-08-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Surgery is often necessary and often as the best FIRST resort....have seen many patients over the years that waited too long to have a problem addressed that would have been an easy surgical fix if they came in right away but by waiting and wasting time with "alternative treatments" surgery may no longer be an option or the damage to a joint may have progressed to a point where surgery is less likely to be successful...

Can also attest to personally seeing many, many patients over the years who come in to have their Orthopaedic issues "fixed" after wasting time with alternative practitioners and Regenerative Medicine quacks....

Unfortunately for them, the damage often can't be undone.....so yeah going "outside the mainstream conventional medicine methods" often does it alright....often does more harm
Words from a surgeon, No? Everyone speaks from where they get their paychecks, right?

I'm sure surgeons go in doing their best and HOPE their patients come out better. Not always the case. Just talking to a longtime friend this morning and we both know this one surgeon who is about to retire. I'm sure he's had plenty of botched surgeries. Our bodies drastically change after these surgeries..alignment is off when the nuts and bolts and materials are added in our bodies. We do sign liability waivers don't we?

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Old 07-08-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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I don’t believe their to be any type
Of tear, nor does my doctor or PT’s. Just be because I can walk with no pain, no pain at rest, and I’m a pretty athletic and even horsing around or throwing the football around I can cut and change directions with no pain or weakness . The pain is strictly when getting out of a chair ,
Comming down stair , kneeling down the getting back up hurts the knee a ton and ovbiously I have not been able to squat in a squat rack or do any sort of leg day because I’m afraid of further damage , I can physically squat with weight my bad knee can handle it ; it just has pain that shouldn’t be there so I haven’t bothered .

I do noice a trend some
Time at pt once in stretched out and did quad and hamstring excercises and some hip flexor work the pain slowly subsided a little .

Also not sure why pt and doctor think I need to get my leg muscles up to “ relieve “ pressure off the knee . At the time of my injury I was working out my legs twice a day compound movements so leg strength wasn’t an issue it was the twist of my injury at work . I don’t ever see this knee healing



I had the same situation...sometimes my knee didn’t hurt, but when it did, it was excruciating and I couldn’t walk. I certainly wasn’t hiking or biking, both hobbies of mine. Life for me just stopped. Also, I had an MRI that the idiot first Dr. had done by the local small hospital. Sometimes the angle doesn’t show the injury, and multiple images should be done.

For my 2nd opinion, the orthopedic specialist only worked on KNEES and also specialized in sports medicine. That is what you need.

FYI, if you have a torn meniscus, be aware that it never “heals”...very small blood supply in the meniscus, it has to be trimmed. If you have a situation like that, and it goes untreated, you’re putting yourself at risk for osteoarthritis at a very young age. That stops you in your tracks. You could also have a torn ACL or other ligament tear.

I really think you need to get a 2nd opinion from an orthopedic MD specializing in knees, make sure the MD is from a major medical school, & stop with the PT until you get the 2nd opinion. I’m pretty sure a competent ortho doc will do more than one MRI.

I don’t know where you live, but some states will jack you around on workers comp. After all, their goal is to get you back to work ASAP for the least amount of $$$. In my case, workers comp was not the problem, but the first MD just plain hated workers comp patients and didn’t want to deal with it, he was more focused on slamming in a lot of knee joint replacement surgeries, his big money-maker. After my consultation with MD #2, I had surgery 2 weeks later, no more pain, However, it took a lot longer to heal because it got worse due to the first idiot and the ill-advised PT. But, then it was over, no more pain, I could eventually work & exercise.

Get a 2nd opinion.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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Words from a surgeon, No? Everyone speaks from where they get their paychecks, right?

I'm sure surgeons go in doing their best and HOPE their patients come out better. Not always the case. Just talking to a longtime friend this morning and we both know this one surgeon who is about to retire. I'm sure he's had plenty of botched surgeries. Our bodies drastically change after these surgeries..alignment is off when the nuts and bolts and materials are added in our bodies. We do sign liability waivers don't we?
Again, opinions not supported by facts.....

I can list dozens of conditions orthopedic and non orthopedic where surgery absolutely should be the FIRST consideration....not the "last resort" as you previously stated.

As for the surgeon you "know" about to retire, unless he was a hack it is highly unlikely he had many "botched surgeries"

Because the result desired doesn't occur or complications arise doesn't mean the surgery was "botched" which implies "screwing up" which is rarely the case with any competent surgeon...

You have made many unsupported claims about your own surgery that it was "botched", "rushed" what have you without a shred of evidence to support your claims.

You suffered known complications from a surgical procedure, it happens, people aren't machines that all respond identically to a surgical procedure. Fortunately, despite your misguided attempts to paint this as a common occurrence....it isn't....and the overwhelming majority of patients that undergo total hip replacement for instance are very happy they did so....
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Old Yesterday, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Yes, we take our chances on these surgeries...I call them crap shoots.

I just met up with a younger person who had a THR at 54 by a high profile surgeon who did NOT take insurance so she thought she was going with the best. She's crippled now raising two little children and wearing braces and in a lot of pain. Read her story on a review of the surgeon and sent her a note, she replied back today.

So yes there are many botched surgeries. The body is never the same after so many of these surgeries. And yes, some do turn out good, so you don't have to go there as I know you will.
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Old Yesterday, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Yes, we take our chances on these surgeries...I call them crap shoots.

I just met up with a younger person who had a THR at 54 by a high profile surgeon who did NOT take insurance so she thought she was going with the best. She's crippled now raising two little children and wearing braces and in a lot of pain. Read her story on a review of the surgeon and sent her a note, she replied back today.

So yes there are many botched surgeries. The body is never the same after so many of these surgeries. And yes, some do turn out good, so you don't have to go there as I know you will.
I think it's great to go "there" because you tend to try and scare people. there are two sides to every story. Not every surgery is horrible. Mine surgeries were great successes.

And the four people I sent to my orthopedic surgeon are all doing superior. lol, we just went to a salsa dance lesson at the Rocky statue on Sunday

I'm not one to live with pain, now my road to total knee replacement was a journey. I tried the stem cell replacement route. waste of 6,000 bucks because my insurance did not cover it so I paid out of pocket.

I had the arthroscopic, the steroid injection, the hyaluronic acid shots. some worked for a little while but finally I was bone on bone. My doctor finally said I would either continue these bandaids or have to have a replacement.

Did it hurt? absolutely.
Was it hell the first few months going to P/T? absolutely
Was it worth it??? absolutely.

Now I like my surgeon, he will not replace until one has exhausted all other non surgical options.

I'm now keeping a track of my right knee, I have osteoarthritis and the reality is it is not going to get better, it's degenerative. will I work the best I can to keep it as healthy as possible? sure.
Am I going to live a life of popping pain pills every 3 hours just to walk? sorry no.

my fake knee feels better than the real knee. my major complaint is that I can't kneel on it but hey if that's the worst I get than C'est la vie

Over 700,000 knee replacements were done last year and according to the AAOS (yes, full disclosure this is a medical association) after tracking patients for 5 years, the success rate is around 90%. full disclosure, I did not read how they defined success rates.

The main point is that there are hundreds of thousands of successful joint replacements done annually, I'm a witness to 5.

I recommend anyone who is considering one NOT to be paranoid, do your due diligence. living with pain was not an option for me.

This was me in April, it was a wild African trek. If you look closely you can see the scar from my TKR
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Old Yesterday, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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I expected other from what I ended up with from THR...so my history isn't good on this replacement stuff. I had one and live with a mess.

You are fortunate as are your friends who came out good. That's what I went in for...

I go to the replacement groups now and then, and read enough from those in pain and trouble.

My whole feeling is "do no harm and do no surgery".,...but that's not the cases.

I was way better off before, I was walking without a walker and now that walker is my needed friend.
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Old Yesterday, 05:50 PM
 
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Yes, we take our chances on these surgeries...I call them crap shoots.

I just met up with a younger person who had a THR at 54 by a high profile surgeon who did NOT take insurance so she thought she was going with the best. She's crippled now raising two little children and wearing braces and in a lot of pain. Read her story on a review of the surgeon and sent her a note, she replied back today.

So yes there are many botched surgeries. The body is never the same after so many of these surgeries. And yes, some do turn out good, so you don't have to go there as I know you will.
Why shouldn't the poster above and I "go there" since you continue to "go there" with your unsupported opinions???

You keep singing the same tired, untrue refrain and I will keep correcting it.....don't want to see it? Well I am tired of you posting the same things over and over as well....c'est la vie

The definition of a "crapshoot" is a risky or uncertain endeavor...

Since 0ver 85% of patients that undergo hip replacement surgery are VERY happy with their outcomes, this procedure meets no such definition...

You are right, the body is "never the same" after many of these surgeries, for most patient's it is BETTER
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Old Yesterday, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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I expected other from what I ended up with from THR...so my history isn't good on this replacement stuff. I had one and live with a mess.

You are fortunate as are your friends who came out good. That's what I went in for...

I go to the replacement groups now and then, and read enough from those in pain and trouble.

My whole feeling is "do no harm and do no surgery".,...but that's not the cases.

I was way better off before, I was walking without a walker and now that walker is my needed friend.
I absolutely understand, I just want you to be balanced.
I don't know of many people who wake up and say "ooh let's have surgery", heck it took my cousin years to convince me to get my ears pierced but replacement surgery is far from some "roll of the dice", my surgeon has done over 5000 successful knee replacements. That's not lady luck, that's skill. Has he had patients that suffered complications, again Im going to say probably. I wish there were guarantees but as often is the case, there is no such thing. To constantly ignore all the successful replacements in order to scare is not accurate.
I do wish your out come was better, i know first hand how painful joint problems can be and losing mobility sucks big time.
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