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Old 07-09-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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So...people DO get help here.

BTW, doctors and allied health professionals don't always have the right answer. Some people here DO have extensive experience with their own or their family member or close friends' illnesses.

Buyer beware, that is always the case.

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.


Other studies report much higher figures, claiming the number of deaths from medical error to be as high as 440,000. The reason for the discrepancy is that physicians, funeral directors, coroners and medical examiners rarely note on death certificates the human errors and system failures involved. Yet death certificates are what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention rely on to post statistics for deaths nationwide.

The authors of the Johns Hopkins study, led by Dr. Martin Makary of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have appealed to the CDC to change the way in which it collects data from death certificates. To date, no changes have been made, Makary said.
Makary did not do a "study". He reviewed studies done by other people, one of which classified all adverse events as "errors", and he extrapolated from an extremely small number of deaths (9 in one study and 14 in another). One of the included studies was done in Medicare recipients and obviously should not be applied to the entire population.

It's a matter of garbage in and garbage out.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are...th-in-the-u-s/

A logical explanation of why the figure derived by Makary cannot be true.

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/02...use-death.html
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I've seen lots of questions where posters are asking for serious help.

In the past few days, I've seen questions regarding symptoms what could have been a serious eye or stroke issue and a possible heart attack.

Most CDers have no professional training and give anecdotal information only.

Some talk about friends, or worse-friends of friends. And some posters jump on alt-med for everything

A few of us have professional degrees. I'm a pharmacist and I know there are quite a few nurses here. I can't remember a doctor answering a question

If something is wrong wit you, go to the emergency room or make an appointment with your doc.

Do not waste precious time here looking for non-answers

I can see asking questions regarding rehab and long term illnesses like diabetes and allergies. Time is not important for those
of course except for a few on here that are obviously in the medical profession we do not have much knowledge, but just to post our experiences is often helpful to others. Most of us suggest seeing a doctor if there is a truly a real concern. What you are saying is like the person that goes to goggle and thinks they can diagnose themselves. We see people posting here all the time with info they got from the web. It is sometimes helpful to take the information your doctor has given you and follow up by research on the net.
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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It is sometimes helpful to take the information your doctor has given you and follow up by research on the net.
I do this a lot. The web follow-up often brings to mind questions I didn't know enough to ask during an appointment, or other factors not mentioned that might affect the outcome. Still, I am careful about the web sources; usually give less credence to dot coms. I don't ignore them completely, just watch the skepticism meter. I don't stop reading after some "source" tells me what I want to hear. If you read enough you'll eventually see patterns/repeats in the information. The more bizarre offerings stand out like sore thumbs.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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I think people with possible serious conditions, want to come here to get different opinions, comforting advice and experiences from those who lived through them.

People are scared of the unknown. If anyone here can offer advice, then CD forum is a great place to come visit! I would always recommend they get a doctors opinion first and then come here to talk about what's on their mind.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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of course except for a few on here that are obviously in the medical profession we do not have much knowledge, but just to post our experiences is often helpful to others.
How is it helpful? Can it possibly be that posting a poorly-understood medical experience can be misleading to other people?

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Most of us suggest seeing a doctor if there is a truly a real concern.
How would you know if a symptom is a real concern or if it isnít? Usually people donít even have test results. Posting it to the Internet is the equivalent of consulting a Magic Eight-Ball.

Look, if you want to play armchair-doctor, I get it. There are certainly plenty of people playing armchair-cave-diving-expert and armchair-legal-scholar at the moment. Itís all a huge waste of time but itís their time to waste.

The difference is that no one gets hurt if a forum commenter is wrong about cave diving or the Supreme Court.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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The medical term you are looking for that you call "super body sensitivity" is somatization.
Now this is exactly how and why an online health discussion may be helpful. Suzy gave Emily "the name" of what she was looking for, now she can research more about this condition and hopefully get relief.

I felt the same way, before the internet, went to doctors for almost 20 years for severe random swelling and daily hives. They couldn't figure it out. I was telling a nurse on my way out one day about how my arm still was swollen and she said I had "angioedema." That opened the door for me to find support groups and reasons why. So good luck Emily, hope Suzy's input helps you out!
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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Then there's the opposite situation of not asking anyone for information. My 80 year old mother just went through opioid withdrawal on her own because her PCP told her he didn't want her taking them at her follow up appointment after she got out of the rehab center. So she stopped, all alone and suffering for a few days, she said she thought she was dying.

I wish she would've asked someone first, her doctor, a friend, an online group, anyone.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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Since in recent years for sure I don't go to doctors very often, but I hear stories here about a person going to an MD, getting ONE person's thinking and often that MD sends the patient to a specialist and and the cycle begins, maybe.

I've been on health forums since 2005 and have learned a lot and not from doctors...believe me.

Before the forums I subscribed to many books and health magazines and I don't mean allopathic publications necessarily. I was and still am open to so many avenues of healing...and so many here just are NOT. One way or the highway and rude comments begin.

There may be things I'd do differently now since I have a replacement outcome, but have no idea how I'd be not doing the surgery. But know how things are now 8 yrs later. This surgery has been and is the sorest spot in my life. Otherwise I have good health with a couple meds and many supplements.

And I'm still learning and just learned about bruising and circulation and antioxidants. Posted about it in Alt Med. I don't bruise.

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Old 07-09-2018, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Mostly in my head
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There are at least 4 physicians and a couple of RNs who post regularly. They just don't regularly identify themselves or make it obvious.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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When I chime-in on medical-issues.....I do my best to make it clear that it is not medical-advice, just my experience and opinion.
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