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Old 08-07-2018, 10:17 AM
 
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The data isn't buried anywhere, go look for it, it's all right there in the link...

A meta analysis of 19 different studies involving over 70 000 patients so pretty powerful data...

But again you aren't really interested in data that doesn't fit your narrative.

"Two trials [out of 19] reported no industry funding; the rest were fully or partially industry funded."

"Based on pooled estimates, the NNT to prevent 1 death from any cause was 250 after 1 to 6 years, and to prevent 1 cardiovascular death was 233 after 2 to 6 years."

Ok, finally found it.

Miracle drug! Only 250 people have to take it to prevent one death!


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2584057


Ya know, a tiny effect can be statistically significant WITHOUT having any clinical significance. What we really are seeing here is financial significance.

 
Old 08-07-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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AND, did you know --

Some medical reporters have investigated this kind of nonsense, but the drug industry shut them up by accusing them of MURDER!! Because people might stop taking their drugs after hearing they are worse than useless.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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AND, did you know --

Some medical reporters have investigated this kind of nonsense, but the drug industry shut them up by accusing them of MURDER!! Because people might stop taking their drugs after hearing they are worse than useless.
There are lists of doctors who have been silenced..one in my hometown who is now retiring after going to naturopathic medicine when he was silenced years back.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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There are lists of doctors who have been silenced..one in my hometown who is now retiring after going to naturopathic medicine when he was silenced years back.
It's so easy to silence them -- just show the deceptive research with a 50% reduction in mortality. Then accuse the critics of murder, because they will cause all those people to die if they don't take their drugs!
 
Old 08-07-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...stract/2584032

A comment on the pro-statin article SuzyQ linked. In the same journal and issue.

"Statins for Primary Prevention The Debate Is Intense, but the Data Are Weak"

"This issue of JAMA contains the latest US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) recommendation statement on statins for prevention of cardiovascular disease in adults,1 along with the accompanying evidence report and systematic review2 on which the recommendations are based. The evidence report summarized data from 19 trials including a total of 71 344 patients and concluded that statin therapy was associated with reduced risk of all-cause and cardiovascular mortality and cardiovascular disease (CVD) events. Thus, the task force recommended “initiating use of low- to moderate-dose statins in adults aged 40 to 75 years without a history of CVD who have 1 or more CVD risk factors and a calculated 10-year CVD event risk of 10% or greater (B recommendation)” or “7.5% to 10% (C recommendation).”1 Although the task force did their usual careful job of reviewing the evidence, the evidence for treating asymptomatic persons with statins does not appear to merit a grade B or even a grade C recommendation."
 
Old 08-07-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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Ok, I don't think you statin-lovers can argue with that. MOST people given statins are asymptomatic.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Is there a middle ground in the statin debate? - Lown Institute

"A 2016 JAMA study shows 0.81% reduction in absolute risk of heart attacks and 0.4% for mortality. In The BMJ John Abramson et al. (2013) find no effect on mortality from taking statins. David Newman’s analysis (2013) finds an absolute risk reduction of 1.6% for heart attacks and no effect on mortality."
 
Old 08-07-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlam...arma-skeptics/

Forbes is always pro-statin. Here is an article that defends statins for primary prevention, even though research shows they DO NOT benefit! The author still thinks it's a great idea.

But wait ...

"The author is the former head of R&D for Pfizer PFE -0.49%, the manufacturer of Lipitor, and still owns Pfizer stock."
 
Old 08-07-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...cise/?emc=eta1

"Do Statins Make It Tough to Exercise?"

"More than 20 million Americans are taking statins, and by most estimates, at least 10 percent of them will experience some degree of muscle achiness or fatigue. That proportion rises to at least 25 percent among people taking statins who regularly exercise, and may be 75 percent or higher among competitive athletes."


So ... one of the best things you can do to prevent heart disease is exercise. But if you take statins, you better not bother.
 
Old 08-07-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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'“It seems possible that statins increase muscle damage” during and after exercise “and also interfere somewhat with the body’s ability to repair that damage,” says Dr. Paul Thompson, the chief of cardiology at Hartford Hospital in Connecticut'
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