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Old 08-29-2018, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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I find nothing noble about enduring pain, and at 51 I have more than enough character.
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:16 AM
 
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For example, in Europe when getting a colonoscopy they don't knock you out, hell you don't even wear a gown, you do most everything without sedation and fully nude everywhere else. Only Americans are wimps and prudes about these kinds of things.
Wimps and prudes? First of all there’s usually no good medical reason for a colonoscopy - like pelvic exams a disgusting and unnecessary procedure 95% of the time - so the correct answer is no, you can’t violate me. Second, it’s called modesty and self-respect. Don’t let people poke or prod you unless the research indicates that makes sense, NOT your doctor! I trust valid medical research not one or even two doctors.

If anything Americans consent to and ask for waaaaay too many procedures they don’t need and yet put no work into just living a healthy lifestyle.

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Old 08-30-2018, 05:09 AM
 
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Wimps and prudes? First of all thereís usually no good medical reason for a colonoscopy - like pelvic exams a disgusting and unnecessary procedure 95% of the time - so the correct answer is no, you canít violate me. Second, itís called modesty and self-respect. Donít let people poke or prod you unless the research indicates that makes sense, NOT your doctor! I trust valid medical research not one or even two doctors.

If anything Americans consent to and ask for waaaaay too many procedures they donít need and yet put no work into just living a healthy lifestyle.
Colonoscopies and pelvic exams are "not needed 95% of the time"

Yet you trust "valid medical research"????


Clearly you don't trust valid medical research or you wouldn't have made the first ridiculous statement....
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Old 08-30-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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Truth be told, I think a lot of people are wimpy about a lot of stuff...it's not Americans against the "Europeans". I have heard very little in this thread to make me change my mind. We look down on drug users so much but by god I want to be zonked out when I get a wart removed and give me 30 vicodin for afterwards.

Show where I said the Europeans don't get sedation - but - their percentages are far lower... Now, their percentages are rising but the percentage in the U.S. is falling. And the percentages vary greatly from state to state and hospital to hospital. I think that attitude that it's crazy to have an unsedated colonoscopy is...frankly, crazy. If it was crazy then no one would do it...but they do - as I said - several IN THIS VERY THREAD have admitted to it!

What do you say about it? What's your deal?!
As one of the people who has colonoscopies w/o sedation, the 1st time was a leap of faith as I didn't know if it would hurt or not. I did know that sedation makes me ill and so trying it w/o sedation had definite upside potential for me. In my case there wasn't any pain involved and so it was a definite win for me.


I should note that whenever I have had any procedures w/o sedation, the compromise I make with the doctor is that they can insert an IV before we start just in case I change my mind and want to or need to be sedated.

I will also note that when told "sedation is required" and I respond "OK, I'll get it done over at ....... instead", then suddenly sedation is not an absolute requirement. Hospital operations are first and foremost about the money, hence the quick backtracking on mandatory sedation.
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Old 08-30-2018, 05:29 AM
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Location: Where the sun likes to shine!!
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\ like pelvic exams a disgusting

Wow I just can't get past that remark. You're girlfriend must love you. The human body is a fantastic and complicated machine. It is not disgusting.


As for exams it is just an exam of your body. There is nothing wrong with the human body. You may have preferences but we all have one...and guess what it's not a secret and not something that hasn't been seen before.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Here's my take on enduring pain. I already know I can take a lot of pain. But I don't feel like I have to prove that every time I get a procedure done. If anything is available to take for any pain, I'll take it. I'm sure there will be many other times when I won't be able to take anything for pain and I'll save my "See how tough I am!" for those times.
Amen to this. Heck, when I go get my teeth cleaned, I always have the option (at no cost) to get "happy gas" and I always tell them, "Absolutely! I went to high school in the 1970s - and you are asking me if I want FREE mind altering substances?"

Just kidding - I've never been much into the mind altering substances but honestly, I know I "can" take the discomfort, but why put myself through unnecessary stress? I don't have anything to prove to anyone.

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Old 08-30-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I'm a horrible wimp. I won't even go to get testing done because I'm too scared of the results. I can handle procedures, I cannot handle the fear of the results!
Unfortunately they don't offer sedation or anesthesia to hear the news of test results. A chair, maybe, and some Kleenex, depending on the nature of the results, but no sedation.

J/K.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:10 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Amen to this. Heck, when I go get my teeth cleaned, I always have the option (at no cost) to get "happy gas" and I always tell them, "Absolutely! I went to high school in the 1970s - and you are asking me if I want FREE mind altering substances?"

Just kidding - I've never been much into the mind altering substances but honestly, I know I "can" take the discomfort, but why put myself through unnecessary stress? I don't have anything to prove to anyone.
Well, I'm with you, Kathryn. But I don't think any dentist I've ever gone to used "happy gas", at least they never offered it to me.
I never asked, either, though there was an extraction where I think I could maybe have used it.

I don't think I've ever heard of nitrous oxide for cleanings, though. Learn something new every day.
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Wimps and prudes? First of all thereís usually no good medical reason for a colonoscopy - like pelvic exams a disgusting and unnecessary procedure 95% of the time - so the correct answer is no, you canít violate me. Second, itís called modesty and self-respect. Donít let people poke or prod you unless the research indicates that makes sense, NOT your doctor! I trust valid medical research not one or even two doctors.

If anything Americans consent to and ask for waaaaay too many procedures they donít need and yet put no work into just living a healthy lifestyle.
In your humble opinion, anyway.
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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When I was ten years old I was diagnosed with a severe scoliosis (spinal curvature); the treatment involved major surgery and eight weeks confined in a body cast from the top of my head to my knees. The lack of mobility affects the digestive process, so I got plenty of enemas and other rectal procedures, most of them from young male nurses who were as put off by the process as I was.

Fortunately, the surgeon in charge recognized the problem after a few days, and turned the procedures over to mature female nurses who let me participate and gain some measure of a feeling of control; that removed much of the anxiety and I required fewer procedures.

Another part of the experience I dreaded was that IV's were administered through the wrist, instead of the arm; these were the single most painful part of the entire ordeal which I still remember.

Point Being: Whenever I require new tests (such as my first EMG last winter) I make it a point to recount my previous experience. I've had three colonoscopies. all without sedation, and I make sure that all my IV's are administered through the forearm (where, I'm told, I have a very healthy set of veins.)

It's the anticipation, rather than the procedure itself, that makes over-sheltered Americans skittish about these matters; that, and media who tend to over-dramatize everything to sell to their over-sheltered, predominately-young and disproportionately-female audience, and a segment of overly-gushy hospital staff (usually on the front lines and not involved with the task itself) who tend to treat all patients like children.

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