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Old 08-24-2018, 11:34 PM
 
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For example, in Europe when getting a colonoscopy they don't knock you out, hell you don't even wear a gown, you do most everything without sedation and fully nude everywhere else. Only Americans are wimps and prudes about these kinds of things.
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Your statement begs the question as to what percentage of people who should get a colonoscopy get it due to the way it is done? Then there is the issue of making smart choices. Should I get a tooth drilled without Lidocaine to prove I am not a wimp, or is it more practical and easier to have my mouth numbed?

There is also an issue that may be part of the reason. Perhaps we have more people aware of the risks involved in "common" procedures. Look them up because they do exist and people do end up with perforated colons and it is easier when a patient is sedated when something goes wrong that will require surgery.

I think that someone who choses not to have pain is smart, not a wimp. I think you have it the other way around. The reason for the way it is done where you are is because we have better medical care here that pays for us to be comfortable during invasive medical procedures. I am sure if it costs nothing to be knocked out, a lot more people where you life would chose it. It does not cost me a penny so wy not.
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Old 08-25-2018, 12:04 AM
 
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It's done in the USA properly for safety and sanitary reasons.
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Old 08-25-2018, 12:16 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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We're a nation of prudes, but it's not just the patients. The doctors here are more comfortable with patients sedated and covered up for procedures like that.
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Old 08-25-2018, 12:38 AM
 
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For example, in Europe when getting a colonoscopy they don't knock you out, hell you don't even wear a gown, you do most everything without sedation and fully nude everywhere else. Only Americans are wimps and prudes about these kinds of things.
That has not been my experience in in twenty years of living in Europe.
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Don't get me started on the differences between health care in Europe (vast differences throughout that entire region by the way - just like in the states) and health care in the US. I lived in Europe for several years and used the local health care system. Without slamming anyone or anything, and knowing that I may be many things but "wimp" is not one of them, let's just say that in spite of our flaws, I prefer American health care.

There is not any one particular method or standard throughout Europe by the way - it varies from country to country. But considering that colorectal cancer is the second most common malignant disease in Europe, I'd say they need screening! And it's not even consistent in practice across Europe.

For instance, the deep sedation practice is more common in France than in the US. Rates for deep sedation were 53 percent of patients in the US and 76 percent of patients in France. Japan had the highest rate of zero sedation (not Europe) at 58 percent of patients - which by the way means that 42% of Japanese patients had some sedation. Conscious yet sedated was the most common form of practice in Germany and the UK (86 and 76 percent of patients respectively). European countries had higher percentages of complications than the US - in fact, at least double the percentage of complications. The US also has the highest rate of complete colonoscopies. The US and Japan have the lowest rates of inconclusive results (1 percent in both countries, in spite of the big differences in protocol). Also the US has the lowest rate by far of second colonoscopies due to the first one being incomplete or inconclusive, because the rate of biopsy and removal of potentially problematic polyps is highest in the US.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...51865417300236

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Old 08-25-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Don't get me started on the differences between health care in Europe (vast differences throughout that entire region by the way - just like in the states) and health care in the US. European countries had higher percentages of complications than the US - in fact, at least double the percentage of complications. The US also has the highest rate of complete colonoscopies. The US and Japan have the lowest rates of inconclusive results (1 percent in both countries, in spite of the big differences in protocol). Also the US has the lowest rate by far of second colonoscopies due to the first one being incomplete or inconclusive, because the rate of biopsy and removal of potentially problematic polyps is highest in the US.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...51865417300236
OK, so I guess people in Europe had better not be wimps. Not only do they have to go through those less-than-pleasant procedures multiple times to be accurately assessed, they have a better chance that those procedures result in complications or their diagnoses are botched. Got it!

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Old 08-25-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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"Why aren't all American medical procedures done the same as in other countries?"


There, I fixed your mean-spirited title for you. But to answer your question, people in different countries have different ways of doing things, so there ya go.
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Old 08-25-2018, 02:55 PM
 
Location: South Florida
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For example, in Europe when getting a colonoscopy they don't knock you out, hell you don't even wear a gown, you do most everything without sedation and fully nude everywhere else. Only Americans are wimps and prudes about these kinds of things.
Why would you need to be nude for a colonoscopy?
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Old 08-25-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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For example, in Europe when getting a colonoscopy they don't knock you out, hell you don't even wear a gown, you do most everything without sedation and fully nude everywhere else. Only Americans are wimps and prudes about these kinds of things.
Should Americans also get a root canal without local anesthetics? How about heart surgery?

America, who saved the world from disaster during WW1, WW2, and the Cold War is a bunch of wimps!
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