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Old 10-31-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Edina, MN, USA
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I wonder if this is something brought into this country from one of the many immigrant groups. That's the first thing I thought about when I heard about it. Could be why the CDC is being so closed mouth about it.
 
Old 10-31-2018, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I wonder if this is something brought into this country from one of the many immigrant groups. That's the first thing I thought about when I heard about it. Could be why the CDC is being so closed mouth about it.
First, the CDC is not being "so closed mouth about it." It's in the news, on the CDC website, and doctors are actively on the lookout for new cases. If the cause is not clear what would you suggest they say?

Of the cases where a virus has been identified it is one that is already found in the US. No one is bringing it in from anywhere. The CDC has no problem with identifying imported disease outbreaks, such as measles, even when it associated with immigrants, such as happened in the Somali community in MN last year.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:52 AM
 
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First, the CDC is not being "so closed mouth about it." It's in the news, on the CDC website, and doctors are actively on the lookout for new cases. If the cause is not clear what would you suggest they say?

Of the cases where a virus has been identified it is one that is already found in the US. No one is bringing it in from anywhere. The CDC has no problem with identifying imported disease outbreaks, such as measles, even when it associated with immigrants, such as happened in the Somali community in MN last year.
According to news reports this week, the CDC is not working with parent groups who have gathered data, among other complaints. I don't know that you can definitively say that no one is bringing it in from anywhere, that's a bit over the top at this point since the cause is not clear.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/29/healt...nse/index.html
 
Old 11-01-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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According to news reports this week, the CDC is not working with parent groups who have gathered data, among other complaints. I don't know that you can definitively say that no one is bringing it in from anywhere, that's a bit over the top at this point since the cause is not clear.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/29/healt...nse/index.html
The cases are scattered, not clustered, as would be expected with an outbreak associated with someone importing an infection. So far this year there are 72 reported cases in 24 states.

https://www.cdc.gov/acute-flaccid-my...veillance.html

In addition, the infections associated with AFM already circulate in the wild in the US. There is no reason to suspect that immigrants are bringing them here.

CDC is educating physicians to report cases. Pediatricians and ER docs need to be on the lookout for it and report to the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/acute-flaccid-my.../hcp/data.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ildren/573982/

"Much like poliovirus, which paralyzed just 1 percent of those it infected, itís likely that AFM is caused by widely circulating viruses that only lead to problems for a small, susceptible minority. Thatís why you donít hear news reports of entire schools coming down with AFM. The disease doesnít even sweep through entire families: Whenever an affected child has had a sibling, Duggal says, that other child has always been healthy. In one dramatic case, scientists isolated genetically identical strains of EV-D68 from two California siblings, one of whom had AFM and the other of whom had the sniffles."
 
Old 11-02-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Edina, MN, USA
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First, the CDC is not being "so closed mouth about it." It's in the news, on the CDC website, and doctors are actively on the lookout for new cases. If the cause is not clear what would you suggest they say?

Of the cases where a virus has been identified it is one that is already found in the US. No one is bringing it in from anywhere. The CDC has no problem with identifying imported disease outbreaks, such as measles, even when it associated with immigrants, such as happened in the Somali community in MN last year.
I watch TV so I'm aware this has been a hot topic for some time now. That's not what I was referring to. Like Kara mentioned, they are not disclosing where this may have come from.

It's not a stretch to think that illnesses and diseases could be brought in by many immigrants -if not actively ill then they could be carriers of some illness. For several years now one of the first questions I'm asked when scheduling medical appointment is: "Have you been out of the county in the last 6 months." The reason for this question should be obvious.


This is far more serious than measles and I wouldn't be a bit surprised that if it was brought into this country that the CDC would want to keep that hushed. Children are being affected and there would be he$$ to pay if that was the case. I believe there would be serious trouble.
 
Old 11-02-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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I watch TV so I'm aware this has been a hot topic for some time now. That's not what I was referring to. Like Kara mentioned, they are not disclosing where this may have come from.

It's not a stretch to think that illnesses and diseases could be brought in by many immigrants -if not actively ill then they could be carriers of some illness. For several years now one of the first questions I'm asked when scheduling medical appointment is: "Have you been out of the county in the last 6 months." The reason for this question should be obvious.


This is far more serious than measles and I wouldn't be a bit surprised that if it was brought into this country that the CDC would want to keep that hushed. Children are being affected and there would be he$$ to pay if that was the case. I believe there would be serious trouble.
Plenty of US citizens travel out of the country (and back) every day. Please stop blaming "immigrants."
 
Old 11-02-2018, 09:05 AM
 
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CDC is educating physicians to report cases. Pediatricians and ER docs need to be on the lookout for it and report to the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/acute-flaccid-my.../hcp/data.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ildren/573982/
Explain why the CDC won't work with the parents of the affected children and why doctors in the CDC are upset. My heart breaks for those families.

I hope the CNN report shakes some things up.
 
Old 11-02-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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I wonder if this is something brought into this country from one of the many immigrant groups. That's the first thing I thought about when I heard about it. Could be why the CDC is being so closed mouth about it.
O......M.......G.....seriously? With global travel being the norm nowadays between the US and many other countries.....seriously???? It's just sad to see opinions like this that have no rational or critical thinking to support them....but then, opinions seldom do!
 
Old 11-02-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I watch TV so I'm aware this has been a hot topic for some time now. That's not what I was referring to. Like Kara mentioned, they are not disclosing where this may have come from.

It's not a stretch to think that illnesses and diseases could be brought in by many immigrants -if not actively ill then they could be carriers of some illness. For several years now one of the first questions I'm asked when scheduling medical appointment is: "Have you been out of the county in the last 6 months." The reason for this question should be obvious.

This is far more serious than measles and I wouldn't be a bit surprised that if it was brought into this country that the CDC would want to keep that hushed. Children are being affected and there would be he$$ to pay if that was the case. I believe there would be serious trouble.
The viruses that have been associated with acute flaccid paralysis do not "come from" anywhere. They are already in the US. Infections with them usually cause no symptoms at all or just common cold symptoms or gastroenteritis. The question isn't where they "come from". The question is why do some children develop paralysis and some do not. It's similar to the issue with the Zika virus and birth defects. What changed about Zika that now makes it damage a fetus when it did not do so before?

Why would there be "serious trouble" if the viruses were brought in from another country? The point is that measles is brought in from other countries and there is no effort made to "hush" that. Measles can be serious, too. About 1 in 500 die from it and it can cause permanent disability.

No one is trying to cover up where the virus(es) came from because they did not come from anywhere.

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Explain why the CDC won't work with the parents of the affected children and why doctors in the CDC are upset. My heart breaks for those families.

I hope the CNN report shakes some things up.
What do the parents of the affected children expect the CDC to do for them? At this point there is no specific treatment and the causes for the increased incidence have not been pinned down. All the CDC can do is continue to evaluate cases and try to identify the viruses (or non-infectious causes) involved. At that point the question would be whether AFM would justify developing vaccines against the relevant viruses, since AFM is rare, seldom fatal, and most children appear to be improving.

What do the "doctors in the CDC" who are "upset" think should be done differently? All I can see is to perhaps make reporting cases mandatory. CDC is working with state health departments to heighten physician awareness and improve case reporting. The health departments have sent information to doctors to help them identify cases and obtain the relevant tests, like this letter to providers in Nevada.

http://www.southernnevadahealthdistr...CP-Job-Aid.pdf

All of us have sympathy for the families of the affected children.
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