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Old 11-19-2018, 08:21 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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I'm having trouble understanding your recommendation. What is the strap you mention and how is it used. Is there a video explaining this?

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I dunno if there's a video. I haven't really caught up to the 21st Century yet. I still call 'em the Brooklyn Dodgers.


Elbow strap-- basically a tourniquet. You can buy one; usually on the shelf with all the wrist supports and Ace wraps; probably comes with directions.... Find the sore spot at your elbow-- the point of bone on the end of the forearm bone. The tendon connects there. Put the strap an inch or so lower than that bone point. .. It's purpose is to "connect" so to speak the muscle to the bone at a new point, taking the strain off the real connection point.


Flexing the lat (latissimus dorsi)-- sit at the table like you're having a meal. Put your elbow on the table with your hand just in front of your forehead a few inches, elbow close to your chest.... With palm facing your head, and with hand & forearm muscles relaxed, flex you biceps, triceps pec & lat as if you're trying to move your elbow thru the table to your hip...Now do it without the table, actually putting your elbow at or near the rim of the pelvis near your appendix (if we're talking right arm) pressing your upper arm against your ribs...Do it as an isometric, leaning into it with your torso if needed, until you feel the lat about to cramp or until you feel it work on relieving pain at the elbow....Adjust the procedure to your personal body size, shape etc


Repeat it often enough to get the muscle memory working right again. You have to get the lat to remember it's suppose to be tighter and the flexor of the wrist to remember it should be looser.


Tennis elbow is technically lateral epicondylitis (outer elbow). I used to get medial epicondylitis from spending too much time in the batting cage--- hands would slow down with fatigue and I'd make contact with the pitch when elbow was out in front of hands, straining that inside tendon point. (Is that your problem with golf?) Same "lat maneuver" would cure it.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Tennis elbow is thankfully one of the easiest injuries to heal, and to avoid. I started to get it really bad after stepping up a level in tennis, so I adjusted my strings and tension and it went away. When I had it bad, I would do the stretches on youtube and it went away. No doctor visits necessary.
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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See, the giveaway is when folks say so strongly that something works...yet they go on to give 4 OTHER remedies - pretty much saying it doesn't work and then gumming it all up with maybe one that possibly works or more than likely, just let enough time pass by trying all this stuff and the problem will resolve itself. And resolving itself is an okay solution - but don't twist it to think the other stuff did anything to help.

gosh … you've just described what happens for so many people on conventional medicine therapies …


they get started on one drug/therapy to deal with a condition, then they need more/stronger/other products to deal with managing the condition, then the next thing you know … well documented ….

they're on multiple meds every day, and other therapies in conjunction with the meds. As you say: "pretty much saying it doesn't work and then gumming it all up with maybe one that possibly works …"

PS: wanna' check into how many people DIE each year from being cross-medicated? or suffer serious complications from conventional meds side effects? or undergo needless/ineffective surgical procedures? how 'bout those cortisone shots that so many Dr's use as their first treatment for folk with "tennis elbow"? instant gratification for a very short-term effect with long term adverse effects …. and so forth.

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Old 11-19-2018, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Sunsprit: I'm off to get me some 200C Arnica and see if I get relief, surely affordable enough. I use other homeopathics with success so I'm going to try the higher dose you mention. A stroke of luck, my gf shops Rainbow Acres Health Food store and she's picking it up for me tomorrow and I'll get it from her on Thursday. R.A. says that's the only strength they carry as it's most popular. Interesting....

I take hefty doses of magnesium and have used the oil over the years but not lately, use more DMSO in recent years for joints.

I'd love to report back that the 200C gave me some pain relief.

And the term tennis elbow can refer to any elbow issues, that can tax the elbow.

Thanks.

PS: On the annual death rate from drug interactions, I've read so many different numbers of 100,000's...who knows for sure. What is for sure?

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Old 11-19-2018, 12:28 PM
 
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The bursa sac getting inflamed on the tip of your elbow can be painful also. I had mine blow up to the size of a 1/2 golf ball, then the orthopedic dr. drained it with a needle. Looked painful but it felt awesome later in the day!

I only mention it because some people think this is "tennis elbow"......but it isn't.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:01 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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The bursa sac getting inflamed on the tip of your elbow can be painful also......

But that's easy to prevent---> just keep switching which elbow you lean on the bar with.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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gosh … you've just described what happens for so many people on conventional medicine therapies …


they get started on one drug/therapy to deal with a condition, then they need more/stronger/other products to deal with managing the condition, then the next thing you know … well documented ….

they're on multiple meds every day, and other therapies in conjunction with the meds. As you say: "pretty much saying it doesn't work and then gumming it all up with maybe one that possibly works …"

PS: wanna' check into how many people DIE each year from being cross-medicated? or suffer serious complications from conventional meds side effects? or undergo needless/ineffective surgical procedures? how 'bout those cortisone shots that so many Dr's use as their first treatment for folk with "tennis elbow"? instant gratification for a very short-term effect with long term adverse effects …. and so forth.
What are we talking about here? Using multiple methods at the same time for a single condition without adequate trials to determine what exactly is working? Or are you talking about people using multiple treatments because they have multiple different conditions and the risk of cross medication?

Because you can be cross medicated with supps too. And I have no issue with "watchful waiting" to see if a condition resolves (within reason) especially when it is known a particular condition frequently DOES resolve on its own. I agree with using conservative measures first....so what exactly is your concern?

Allopathic medicine has issues....and many, if not all, are shared by "natural" medicine so ya better keep your eyes open. I prefer to use methods with at least a modicum of evidence behind them.
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:04 PM
 
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Allopathic medicine has issues....and many, if not all, are shared by "natural" medicine so ya better keep your eyes open. I prefer to use methods with at least a modicum of evidence behind them.
Absolutely, I agree 100%.

That's how I found out about homeopathic solutions to a number of problems, by consulting with ND's.

Several of them worked in a clinic shared with MD's so that they had access across many spectrums of the medical arts for diagnosis and treatments. My favorite ND at the time was providing a lot of care to the US Olympic Team members training in Boulder and Colorado Springs, CO. There were a lot of athletes relying upon his treatments for muscle injuries and pain conditions rather than using allopathic treatments.

The proof, for me, was in following the professional advice from that clinic. I found out for myself the homeopathic formulations that worked for me.

Not only for muscle and joint pain issues, but for seasonal sinus/hayfever allergy problems for which I used to get prescriptions that had serious side effects. The proof for me was that most of those prescription drugs had warning notices on them … and sure enough … I did get drowsy to the point that I wouldn't fly or drive on these drugs. In time, as a few of those drugs were moved to "over the counter" availability, the warnings are still there … and the FAA has them on a restricted list for pilots to this day. You can choose to use one of those drugs, but you cannot legally fly while under their influence.

Years later, I met the lady who would become Mrs Sun. She was a top ranked runner and marathoner for a number of her college years. She, too, had been using homeopathic methods for many years with success. This was in light of her family's 3rd generation pharmacy and her Mom/Dad expecting her to be the next generation to take over the family pharmacy. Working as a pharm assistant ever since she was a young teenager (after years of stocking the greeting card racks and general merchandise of the pharmacy from about 10 years of age), she was quite familiar with the business. What she'd seen there over those years was enough to convince her that she might want to seek out other paths to health. In college, she was treated by a DO with a ND in the clinic group. There she found homeopathic alternatives which worked for her.

I think it all comes down to where you place your trust for your health issues. If you believe and find that homeopathic treatments work for you, so be it. If you believe that they have no place in your health regimen, so be it … don't use them.

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Old 11-19-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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Sunsprit: I'm off to get me some 200C Arnica and see if I get relief, surely affordable enough. I use other homeopathics with success so I'm going to try the higher dose you mention. A stroke of luck, my gf shops Rainbow Acres Health Food store and she's picking it up for me tomorrow and I'll get it from her on Thursday. R.A. says that's the only strength they carry as it's most popular. Interesting....

I take hefty doses of magnesium and have used the oil over the years but not lately, use more DMSO in recent years for joints.

I'd love to report back that the 200C gave me some pain relief.

And the term tennis elbow can refer to any elbow issues, that can tax the elbow.

Thanks.

PS: On the annual death rate from drug interactions, I've read so many different numbers of 100,000's...who knows for sure. What is for sure?
Absolutely FALSE....

"Tennis Elbow" refers to a very specific diagnosis more properly termed "Lateral epicondylitis"....it does not refer to any other "elbow issue"
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Early America
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A topical product like Arnicare gel with a small percentage of active Arnica is effective for joint and muscle pain. Avoid using it on broken skin.

I wouldn't take Arnica internally because it's a poisonous plant.
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