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Old 11-28-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Alexander Archipelago
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..But I must add that if your only reason is "to save the environment," then you're sadly misinformed.
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That's one good reason, but in my experience typically not the primary one for vegans. Usually they're more concerned about the welfare of animals raised for human consumption and don't want any part of it.

It's a lifestyle choice, shared by folks of many religions.

Regarding running as self flagellation, do you actually know anyone who participates in this activity? I believe this would be the exception because all runners I know, including myself, absolutely love it.

I'm neither a vegan or vegetarian but have found that drastically reducing my dairy and meat intake has definitely improved my health.
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Old 11-28-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Makes me wonder why we have such a huge cow, pig, even lamb industries. We don't have them for our pets.

I was born and raised, my parents too, their parents and we all lived pretty well long lives and no one talked about not eating meats...often our meat days were treats.

I've cut back a lot as I've hit 80 and just it is better for me re: digestion.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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They're generally healthier if they base their diet on vegetables rather than pasta and bread. Lots of junk food vegetarians, especially college students, who survive on boxed mac & cheese, ramen, and pb&j, which is not good for them.
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:33 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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They're generally healthier if they base their diet on vegetables rather than pasta and bread. Lots of junk food vegetarians, especially college students, who survive on boxed mac & cheese, ramen, and pb&j, which is not good for them.
Hence the term "plant based" as opposed to "grain and dairy based".

People who actually do eat mostly vegetables, fruits, a sparing amount of nuts and legumes are absolutely healthier.

Regardless of how they chose to - or not to - label themselves.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:34 PM
 
Location: America's Expensive Toilet
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I went vegan for a month or two in college. I had access to the school's cafeteria as well as a kitchen in my apartment. That didn't last long, even with me incorporating plenty of chickpeas and beans into my diet to get that protein. Ate lots of salads and cooked veggies, but I had never been so exhausted. I think for some people, their bodies really do need a fully balanced diet. I hadn't had cow's milk since high school and just started adding it back into my diet the last year.
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:16 AM
 
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I think vegetarians and vegans are generally healthier. But let's remember that french fries and pancakes are vegetarian and often vegan. Sugar qualifies as ok under both. It's not necessarily a foolproof way of eating. And I'm not sure it's good for EVERYONE to follow a plant-based diet. My friend with some severe physical disabilities was vegetarian for an extended period, and she found it really affected her health and energy levels negatively.

Honestly, I just like meat too much to stop eating it. Even more than sugar, it's like a drug for me. I know I'm an environmental disaster and I love animals, but I'm pretty miserable when I'm not including it in my diet. I choose vegetarian options fairly frequently, but I am pretty carnivorous overall.
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Early America
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Same here. After I started again incorporating some meat back into my diet, I made it a practice to be aware that something died so that I could eat.

I'd been veg for about two years, and had already added back some fish here and there. I do some work that involves attending engineering industry dinners. I usually asked for the vegetarian or fish alternative if the dinner was meat, but one night they placed a dish of rare sliced beef in front of me and it looked so good and I didn't ask for it to be switched out. I wanted it.

The next day, I kept thinking "I feel really good today and I don't know why". Stronger physically and sharper mentally, and I realized it was the beef. I must have been missing something.

I don't eat beef often since, and when I do it's a small portion, but it does make me feel good.

That was your brain screaming, "Feed me, I need those nutrients!"


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I was strict vegetarian (at times vegan) for nearly 30 years, but started consuming a little meat about a year ago. I was perfectly content and healthy as a vegetarian, but once I hit 40... I donít know what changed but I started having hormonal issues and felt like crap all. the. time. My weight didnít change, but I started to look paunchy and scrawny. Constant aches and pains, mood swings, you name it. And Iíve never been a junk food vegetarian; I was all about beans ní greens, whole grains, nuts and seeds, and eggs.

Nutrient deficiencies catch up with all of us eventually.


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Anyway, it all started with a hot dog. It was so ****ing delicious. Then a piece of broiled trout; it felt like all of the circuits in my brain were firing.


Long-term strict vegetarians and vegans are going to have a problem eventually. Any diet that requires synthetic supplementation of essential nutrients is obviously not a healthy one.



Don't starve your brains, people, unless you are fine with a shrinking brain and possibly dementia or other serious problems later on.


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I went vegan for about 5 months two years ago because my daughter was and I wanted to lose about five pounds and I was curious.

After one week I felt fantastic and after two I was dropping weight. I have to say that I really, really felt good. Why am I not still vegan is because I am an omnivore at heart. I love meat, fish, and poultry. I don't care about dairy except for cheese occasionally. Also coming up with meal ideas and recipes is a pain the the ass.

Yeah, you gave your digestive system a break with the increase in fiber. Most Americans don't consume enough fiber. Most people can maintain that great feeling by decreasing the frequency and portion sizes of meat and increasing plants.




Health depends on what nutrients you are getting, and this varies by individual. Analyze your diet for nutrients and adjust accordingly to ensure you are getting what the human body requires to function normally and healthily. If you don't know what they are, consider picking up a textbook on nutrition and experiment, experiment, experiment.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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People who are healthier don't do just one thing.

Vegetarians are people who pay serious attention to what they eat. They're are also more likely as a group to be paying attention to other healthy practices such as exercise and not smoking.

It might be difficult to find a statistically valid population sample of vegetarians that are as otherwise careless about their health as the whole group of people who eat meat.

That's not to say everyone who eats meat is otherwise careless about his heath, but "people who eat meat" includes a whole lot of people who do everything else wrong as well.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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People who are healthier don't do just one thing.

Vegetarians are people who pay serious attention to what they eat. They're are also more likely as a group to be paying attention to other healthy practices such as exercise and not smoking.

It might be difficult to find a statistically valid population sample of vegetarians that are as otherwise careless about their health as the whole group of people who eat meat.

That's not to say everyone who eats meat is otherwise careless about his heath, but "people who eat meat" includes a whole lot of people who do everything else wrong as well.
I think this is a really good point.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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Long-term strict vegetarians and vegans are going to have a problem eventually. Any diet that requires synthetic supplementation of essential nutrients is obviously not a healthy one.
What nutrients are strict vegetarians not getting? Don't lump vegans and vegetarians in together, although even vegans can get B12 from nutritional yeast.

As for vegetarians, you can get B12 from milk...and of course there is protein (and amino acids) in legumes, especially. Those are what I see meat-eaters most concerned about.

Lots of people don't get enough B12, especially if they are older than 50 because of the way digestion changes as you age. No need to pick on vegetarians as REQUIRING supplements any more than other people, as long as they eat in a balanced way.
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