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Old 11-30-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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put all dorts of chemicals and crap in the food, water, and air and then wonder why people suddenly have mysterious ailments.
bingo!
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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"Has anyone else noticed something similar?"
yes.
" Are you less healthy than your parents in spite of ostensibly better health habits?'
less than my mother (she did not worry a lot). more healthy than my father (smoking).
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Australia
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/16/h...ntl/index.html

I guess what would be interesting to know is why a few countries have defied this trend.
I know here in Australia we complain about being a nanny state with very strict laws on road safety, swimming pool fencing and so on. Also anti smoking laws are strictly enforced and lock out laws and random breath testing have helped lower alcohol consumption quite a lot. But we certainly do have a drug problem though perhaps suicide rates could be lower because of the gun laws.
Then there are factors such as the fact that our immigration rate has been very high these past few years and the majority are skilled immigrants who have to pass strict medical tests to get a visa.

There are so many factors involved in the whole issue and I imagine t here will be a lot of research in all the countries with declining life expectancy to try to find reasons.
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Old 12-01-2018, 05:54 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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There are so many factors involved in the whole issue and I imagine t here will be a lot of research in all the countries with declining life expectancy to try to find reasons.

Exactly.


Please note that in Moses' day, 3000 y/a, a full life was 4 score and 10- same as today. There's a limit to how long anyone can live.


An increasing life expectancy for the group means more people are reaching old age, not that old people are living even longer.


Drug deaths here are now up to 40,000/yr, and there are 4,000,000 deaths over all per year (1%). Even at that, I'm not sure the excess drug deaths make much of a dent in life expectancy averages.


Life expectancy took major jumps after miraculous new technology entered our lives: indoor plumbing (1890s), antibiotics (1940s) and CABG (1970s). Major new developments have not come forth since then, so now life expectancy has stagnated. The yearly numbers can be expected to vary up and down randomly around the mean each year.


It is interesting to note, however, that life expectancy has fallen each year since Obamacare has taken full effect. With everyone now covered, maybe more people are seeing the doctor...and NOT living long enough to regret it?
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Old 12-01-2018, 06:00 AM
 
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It is interesting to note, however, that life expectancy has fallen each year since Obamacare has taken full effect. With everyone now covered, maybe more people are seeing the doctor...and NOT living long enough to regret it?

Apparently, I can’t get articles to link correctly, but you can google “John Hopkins study suggests that medical errors are the third-leading cause of death in the US.” That might explain some of it.

Also, two of my current conditions (afib & mild chronic pancreatitis) were brought on by reactions to medications I was prescribed to treat a third condition (autoimmune inner ear disease). Also, I am no anti-vaxer, but I am still troubled that this rare autoimmune disease (which no one else in my family has ever had) came on suddenly a day after I got a flu shot. The medications helped put the autoimmune inner ear disease into remission (but I still have it), so in some sense I could say that the medical intervention has made me sicker — and in my case, we aren’t even talking about errors. Just standard treatment.

Hmmm. I just realized this thread might have been better suited for a different forum. Oops.

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Old 12-01-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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It's not a mystery and it's certainly not (primarily) due to stuff in the water - the sudden decline is due to drug/opiate use.
Yeah but if you donít do any of those things who cares. Youíll most likely live well over that age. I mean if you donít smoke, donít do drugs, eat decently it puts you well ahead of that drug using smoking junk food eating person.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Apparently, I canít get articles to link correctly, but you can google ďJohn Hopkins study suggests that medical errors are the third-leading cause of death in the US.Ē That might explain some of it.

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I've read the study--pure bs published for its sensationalism. There's a huge difference between having a death caused by a medical error vs dying from some disease with the record showing that some drug or dosage, or procedure was not used according to standard "best practices" recommendations. How sure can they be that the best practices must necessarily be right, or that a different drug or dose would have prevented the death?

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Yeah but if you donít do any of those things who cares. Youíll most likely live well over that age. I mean if you donít smoke, donít do drugs, eat decently it puts you well ahead of that drug using smoking junk food eating person.

Your potential longevity is determined by your genes. No "healthy lifestyle choice" can change that. Your actual longevity is determined by avoiding certain obviously stupid choices (swimming with sharks, volunteering for dangerous assignments; smoking, etc) but most of the problems come from pure chance.


Eg- chance cancerous mutations as tissue go thru their normal cell cycles every few days to months (depending on the organ) or the random pattern of plaque build-up in arteries (a plug in the "Widow Maker" LCA can kill you fast. The same plug way down a branch of a coronary artery may not even be noticed. A large but not completely obstructing plaque in a carotid may never causes a problem, but a smaller plaque that just happens to break loose can cause a stroke. etc etc)
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Whatever you do, don't even insinuate that prescriptions for opiates might be part of the problem, or the wrath of Khan may descend upon you.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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http://https://www.ajc.com/lifestyle...nKfw8exIvdVMM/

Has anyone else noticed something similar? Are you less healthy than your parents in spite of ostensibly better health habits?
Who decides what are "ostensibly better health habits?"

I probably have a lot of "health habits" that are opposite of what some people think they're supposed to do.

I'm 60 and healthier than my siblings and mom.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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At this rate we'll all be dead soon.
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