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Old 12-01-2018, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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It can't be due to one stat!

There are endless articles online about middle age white women dying young.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ths-of-despair

DESPAIR is given as the reason.

Suicide among elder men is 4X the average of all Americas.

Drugs and Suicides ARE products of despair, lack of community and other such indicators.
Again, the biggest demographic change in deaths is the 25-44 group.

No, it's never one stat, but this is the largest one.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Which Kahn? Rich Corinthian Leather Ricardo? Or Benedict Cumberbatch?

In 2018, itís pretty tough to get an Rx for enough opiates to get hooked. If youíre talking a decade ago, sure.
See what I mean?

https://movies.stackexchange.com/que...he-scene-where


I've never had an issue getting an opiate prescription filled - not even a month ago in 2018.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:44 PM
 
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I've never had an issue getting an opiate prescription filled - not even a month ago in 2018.

Yeah, but as I reported, I DID have trouble getting my husband's post-op opioids.

Plus, my normal Rx for tramadol can no longer be filled for 3 months, I need a new prescription every 30 days.
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I do not like to be unkind but there seem to be many more morbidly obese people in the US than anywhere else we have travelled. That cannot be good for their health.

Looking at the OECD statistics, it seems that the road toll rate is double that of equivalent counties such as here and Canada. I found that surprising because a lot of the roads are so much better than ours and the cars all seem very good (much cheaper than here so less old cars) Not sure why the rate is so high?
Australia's rate is 7.3 per 100k. Canada is 9.5. The US rate is 12.9 per 100k. Europe's rate is 19 per 100k. Not sure why there is such a pronounced difference but the US is about average or a bit lower than average worldwide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
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Old 12-02-2018, 03:43 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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I don't understand the direction this thread has gone. The CDC says the decline is due to deaths of 25-44 year olds due to drug deaths and suicides.

They're wrong. Do the math as I suggested in an earlier post. Those deaths only account for 1% of all deaths, and only the portion of those deaths that are in excess of previous yr's deaths bring the average down. CDC says drug related deaths rose by 10%-- that represents only 0.1% of all deaths- not enough to move the needle (no pun intended )


Re: comments about seeking medical help & poor outcomes: only sick people go to the doctor, so outcomes should be worse.


Re: nonagenerians like GHW Bush-- you don't get to be 90 if you're sickly.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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Well, the needle only moved down by one month, so.......

We lived a month less.
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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See what I mean?

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I've never had an issue getting an opiate prescription filled - not even a month ago in 2018.
Me either, KA. I still have opiates from a couple years ago. They just handed 'em out.

But, OP, I know what you mean. My grandparents lived into their late 90s, despite eating lots of sugar and fats. Parents were 88. What changed? None smoked or drank. None had any health issues.

Yet my sisters and I ALL have advanced arthritis/scoliosis issues; one had breast cancer. Why not our parents/grandparents?

Something has changed. We all eat healthier than they did. And nobody exercised back then. I'm thinkin' if this trend continues, I'll be lucky to make it to mid-70s.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Me either, KA. I still have opiates from a couple years ago. They just handed 'em out.

But, OP, I know what you mean. My grandparents lived into their late 90s, despite eating lots of sugar and fats. Parents were 88. What changed? None smoked or drank. None had any health issues.

Yet my sisters and I ALL have advanced arthritis/scoliosis issues; one had breast cancer. Why not our parents/grandparents?

Something has changed. We all eat healthier than they did. And nobody exercised back then. I'm thinkin' if this trend continues, I'll be lucky to make it to mid-70s.
Interesting, maybe the luck of the draw has something to do with longevity. I look at my dad's side of our family, and see that most of the elders there were dead by the time they reached their early to mid 70's, either from heart attacks or strokes, and not a small number that had emphysema and died of that. Many of them were smokers (though not all, my grandmother never smoked yet died of emphysema at age 73). A number of them were poultry farmers, got plenty of exercise running their farms, their diets included high fat items (fried, fricasseed meats, butter, cream and whole milk from their cows), and desserts but they were not significantly overweight, probably burned off the calories.

Many of thefolks on my mother's side of the family, excluding her parents who both died in their early 40's during the Depression, her fathrt from pneumonia, her mother from cervical cancer, seem to live longer, into their late 80's, early 90's, and died from complications of Alzheimer's disease. A handful of those relatives had what was probably Type 2 diabetes, which if I recall was probably as well controlled as it could be in those days.

My mother, age 92, is still alive and kicking, with very few chronic ailments other than chronic COPD ( which she attributes to years of smoking), which is well controlled most of the time and the physical frailty that seems to happen as one gets to be very old.

I consider myself fairly healthy at age 71, though I've got a couple diagnosed chronic conditions that I consider more incoveniences than anything else, and work to control those. My father had hypertension as a young man, and I seem to have inherited that from him, I guess, I've worked for years to keep it under control, with life style actions and medication. I also have glaucoma, and have no idea where that came from, no one else I know of in my family has it. Then there is the cardiac arrthymia (SVT), which I was probably born with, which reared it's ugly head only infrequently through the years, but which has become more troublesome as I get older. I know of no one else in my family with that either, but perhaps they just didn't talk about it.

The "conditions" I have listed are very manageable by current medical technology, and life style practices, so I anticipate that even with them I will live a longer and healthier life than my predecessors who didn't have all the information, and technology available. So in that sense I am healthier, IMO.
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Old 12-02-2018, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Hearing this life expectancy decline a lot the last couple days on radio and so much talk about the opiate deaths and Washington D.C. leading the pack on this opiate issue.
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Old 12-02-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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Yeah, but as I reported, I DID have trouble getting my husband's post-op opioids.

Plus, my normal Rx for tramadol can no longer be filled for 3 months, I need a new prescription every 30 days.
What is it with Tramadol? My brother has neuropathy and was given a Tramaold rx, but only two per day which does very little to alleviate his pain. It surely isn't fentanyl but....
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