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Old 12-03-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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This means that is contained in the bodies of millions of people. If these people ceased to exist, HIV would be no longer. As cruel as it may sound, retroviral therapy will keep this virus alive for many decades, if not hundreds of years to come, putting millions of others at risk. Having a low viral load, doesn't guarantee you can't infect others. There will never be a cure, because of the way HIV works.

By the time, most people who have HIV (usually people between 20 and 50) pass away, whether from aids or old age, the number of people with HIV may be massively reduced, the problem here is that the virus is being spread much faster than people with the virus cease to exist. All it takes is a 20 minutes sexual act to spread HIV, but it takes 60-70 year for a person to pass away. It will be impossible to eradicate. If anything, every year, more and more people contract the virus.

Since there is no cure and spread rates are significantly higher than people with HIV are dying. It is only a matter of time before most humans end up with HIV. It is only a number's game. It will take hundreds of years, but it will happen. Every person you know will have the virus. It will be very common. We won't be around see this monstrosity of a problem.

HIV is spreading a million times faster than science is advancing. It took only 50 years for this virus to become this big of a problem. Imagine what a couple of hundred years would cause. Almost everyone will have the virus and 200 years is nothing in science progress. We are running against the clock and is ticking.

People pray for a cure, but this very same people have no idea how HIV works. HIV is impossible to get rid of the body. HIV becomes part of your genes, that's why your immune system cannot kill it. In order to be "cured", you would have to get rid of every single trace of HIV. This is science fiction and it will never happen. We cannot even cure the common cold and other weak viruses.

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Old 12-03-2018, 08:01 PM
 
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Where are you getting your information from?

If HIV is part of someone's genes, then their children could inherit it; but many children are born HIV negative from HIV positive parents.
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Old 12-03-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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Where are you getting your information from?

If HIV is part of someone's genes, then their children could inherit it; but many children are born HIV negative from HIV positive parents.

And many are also born with the virus. HIV becomes part of you because is always there inside your body. It uses your own cells to produce copies of itself. So, in a way, it temporarily becomes part of your genes while is using your cell machinery to create copies.

The only real cure for HIV is to eradicate every single trace of virus from your body, as if you had never been infected in the first place. In other words, you have to remove HIV from every infected cell and leave the cells unaffected, as if they had never been infected. There is no point in killing the infected cells, because that's what HIV will do anyway. You would also have to remove every single particle of HIV floating outside the cells. You would have to remove HIV particles hiding in the bone marrow and other places in your body. All it takes is one single virion to infect a cell and make copies.

This is science fiction and it will never happen no matter how much science advances. We can't even defeat the common cold virus.


Chances are HIV hides in the bone marrow just like HPV does. We have no cure for HPV.
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Old 12-04-2018, 02:08 AM
 
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And many are also born with the virus. HIV becomes part of you because is always there inside your body. It uses your own cells to produce copies of itself. So, in a way, it temporarily becomes part of your genes while is using your cell machinery to create copies.

The only real cure for HIV is to eradicate every single trace of virus from your body, as if you had never been infected in the first place. In other words, you have to remove HIV from every infected cell and leave the cells unaffected, as if they had never been infected. There is no point in killing the infected cells, because that's what HIV will do anyway. You would also have to remove every single particle of HIV floating outside the cells. You would have to remove HIV particles hiding in the bone marrow and other places in your body. All it takes is one single virion to infect a cell and make copies.

This is science fiction and it will never happen no matter how much science advances. We can't even defeat the common cold virus.


Chances are HIV hides in the bone marrow just like HPV does. We have no cure for HPV.
Your premise fails because the incidence of new cases of HIV in the US is actually decreasing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5315764/

"On average, HIV diagnoses decreased 4.0% per year from 48,309 in 2008 to 39,270 in 2013 (P<.001). Adjusting for reporting delays, diagnoses decreased 3.1% per year."

There are ways to prevent transmission of the virus.

https://aidsinfo.nih.gov/understandi...hiv-prevention

HIV can survive in surprising tissues:

https://www.iflscience.com/health-an...-hiding-spots/

HPV infects epithelium. If you have a source describing it in bone marrow I would be very interested in reading it.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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This means that is contained in the bodies of millions of people. If these people ceased to exist, HIV would be no longer. As cruel as it may sound, retroviral therapy will keep this virus alive for many decades, if not hundreds of years to come, putting millions of others at risk. Having a low viral load, doesn't guarantee you can't infect others. There will never be a cure, because of the way HIV works.

By the time, most people who have HIV (usually people between 20 and 50) pass away, whether from aids or old age, the number of people with HIV may be massively reduced, the problem here is that the virus is being spread much faster than people with the virus cease to exist. All it takes is a 20 minutes sexual act to spread HIV, but it takes 60-70 year for a person to pass away. It will be impossible to eradicate. If anything, every year, more and more people contract the virus.

Since there is no cure and spread rates are significantly higher than people with HIV are dying. It is only a matter of time before most humans end up with HIV. It is only a number's game. It will take hundreds of years, but it will happen. Every person you know will have the virus. It will be very common. We won't be around see this monstrosity of a problem.

HIV is spreading a million times faster than science is advancing. It took only 50 years for this virus to become this big of a problem. Imagine what a couple of hundred years would cause. Almost everyone will have the virus and 200 years is nothing in science progress. We are running against the clock and is ticking.

People pray for a cure, but this very same people have no idea how HIV works. HIV is impossible to get rid of the body. HIV becomes part of your genes, that's why your immune system cannot kill it. In order to be "cured", you would have to get rid of every single trace of HIV. This is science fiction and it will never happen. We cannot even cure the common cold and other weak viruses.
Cite credible sources please. Not buying it.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:58 PM
 
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This means that is contained in the bodies of millions of people. If these people ceased to exist, HIV would be no longer. As cruel as it may sound, retroviral therapy will keep this virus alive for many decades, if not hundreds of years to come, putting millions of others at risk. Having a low viral load, doesn't guarantee you can't infect others. There will never be a cure, because of the way HIV works.

By the time, most people who have HIV (usually people between 20 and 50) pass away, whether from aids or old age, the number of people with HIV may be massively reduced, the problem here is that the virus is being spread much faster than people with the virus cease to exist. All it takes is a 20 minutes sexual act to spread HIV, but it takes 60-70 year for a person to pass away. It will be impossible to eradicate. If anything, every year, more and more people contract the virus.

Since there is no cure and spread rates are significantly higher than people with HIV are dying. It is only a matter of time before most humans end up with HIV. It is only a number's game. It will take hundreds of years, but it will happen. Every person you know will have the virus. It will be very common. We won't be around see this monstrosity of a problem.

HIV is spreading a million times faster than science is advancing. It took only 50 years for this virus to become this big of a problem. Imagine what a couple of hundred years would cause. Almost everyone will have the virus and 200 years is nothing in science progress. We are running against the clock and is ticking.

People pray for a cure, but this very same people have no idea how HIV works. HIV is impossible to get rid of the body. HIV becomes part of your genes, that's why your immune system cannot kill it. In order to be "cured", you would have to get rid of every single trace of HIV. This is science fiction and it will never happen. We cannot even cure the common cold and other weak viruses.
It is abundantly clear from this post that YOU are one of the people who have "no idea how HIV works"
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Old 12-08-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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Default What would you do if find out you have HIV?

Would you cry and think is all over? Most people know that with antiretroviral medication, you can live for decades, but is impossible to know for how long you will live. Reality is that nobody wants this virus regardless of how good medication can be at keeping you alive.

Once the virus is inside, is game over, there is nothing you can do about it, except taking medicine to "slow down" the virus, but it will always be in your system. When you die, whether from aids or old age, the virus will die with you. I'm very afraid of this virus, but I'd rather have it than cancer or other diseases.

One time I had a dream that I was diagnosed with HIV, I thought my life was over, only to wake up from this nightmare and realize it wasn't real, and I felt immense relief.

People and doctor tell you, is fine, don't worry, that's what meds are for. These antiretroviral meds have horrible side effects, even just as bad if not worse than the disease itself. One of the most scary ones is loss of facial fat, which leads to a gaunt look which "aids" patients are known for, this exacerbated by the fact that aging itself causes facial volume loss.

Not everyone responds well to these drugs and many people have annoying side effects that they will have to live with for the rest of their life if they want their viral load to be low. Just skipping the meds for a few days and the viral load will go through the roof, which proves all these meds are doing is slowing down the virus. Remove this annoyance to the virus, and it will multiply massively.

Of course, if you get infected, what other choice do you have? You will not see a cure in this lifetime, it won't happen, it would probably never happen. Complete eradication of HIV may never be possible. What science may come up with is a "functional cure" where antiretroviral drugs are removed and the virus, somehow, does not multiply, similar concept to "complete remission" after cancer treatment.
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Old 12-08-2018, 11:03 AM
 
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I'd deal with it because that's all you can do.

What's with the fascination with HIV?
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Old 12-08-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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Yes, first you might grieve a bit... then you do what everyone else does....whatever it takes to stay as healthy as possible.

You learn as much as possible, educate yourself about treatment options, get support from others

and then you live your life.
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Old 12-08-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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Would you cry and think is all over? Most people know that with antiretroviral medication, you can live for decades, but is impossible to know for how long you will live.
The same is true if you are diagnosed with other diseases including cancers that can only be forced into remission instead of eradicated. MS, ALS, all sorts of miseries. Obviously, the big difference is that you could spread your misery to someone else, so need to take steps to protect them indefinitely. Some other situation can always show up and make your diagnosis a moot point. You could be run over by a truck in a crosswalk. Die from flu complications, succumb to pneumonia. Regardless which condition it is, you still have to do the emotional/mental work in order to keep yourself alive. If you don't arrive at some workable attitude you won't survive it. Everyone is free to sit and endlessly roil themselves up over something that can't be changed, and they are also free to refuse to do that. It either controls you or you control it.

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