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Old Today, 06:58 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Originally Posted by NasalPolyps View Post
Why would the burning/subtle pain feel worse when i stick out my belly

Explain that to me if you can

It doesn't make any difference. No need to explain it. You need to be examined and maybe some tests.


I'm pretty sure if you consulted a standard Textbook of Gastroenterology, you wouldn't find a chapter titled "Pain Made Worse by Sticking Your Belly Out."


Let me give you some advice to follow until you go to the doctor-If it hurts when you stick your belly out, then don't stick your belly out.

 
Old Today, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Thanks guys. I was reading a thread from where a lady when to the ER and they diagnosed her with an ulcer after several tests. If i go and tell them what i think i may be having, why wouldn’t they do a test

Of course id rather not be in debt like that. There is a gastroenterologist like a few miles from where i live. Problem here is first appointment he won’t do any tests i know this is first appointment is always just talking and since a endoscopy may require full sedation, he may not do it even if I schedule the appointment early in the morning and go with an empty stomach

Itd be in the second appointment thats 2 days id have take off in different occasions

As doctors only work monday to friday 9 to 5pm when 99% people are at their jobs. Super convenient and they never work Saturday knowing full well most people would be free on Saturday but what do they care about the inconveniences of patients or if they lose money by taking days off, as long as they get paid.

At least the ER has doctors working there even on holidays
An ulcer is not an emergency. Neither is a hiatal hernia, not to mention standard, run of the mill GERD. As others have said, you'll end up right back where you stared (needing to make an appointment with a gastroenterologist).

I don't understand why a person who has previously expressed concern about the costs of seeing a doctor without insurance is now willing to go to an ER (still without insurance) and be stuck with a bill for thousands, and very likely not even get an answer to their problem. The cost to see a specialty physician for a simple consult is usually no more than a couple hundred dollars. Make an appointment with a gastroenterologist asap and go from there. But expect this whole diagnostic process to possibly take weeks. Scheduling with specialists is not like getting into your PCP within a few days.

And no, doctors don't usually have clinic on weekends, nor should they be expected to. They are too tired busting their rears during the week when they are working much longer than 9-5, in my experience. They have lives and families too. You are expected to go to them during regular hours, that's what PTO is for.

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Old Today, 07:58 AM
 
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An ulcer is not an emergency. Neither is a hiatal hernia, not to mention standard, run of the mill GERD. As others have said, you'll end up right back where you stared (needing to make an appointment with a gastroenterologist).

I don't understand why a person who has previously expressed concern about the costs of seeing a doctor without insurance is now willing to go to an ER (still without insurance) and be stuck with a bill for thousands, and very likely not even get an answer to their problem. The cost to see a specialty physician for a simple consult is usually a couple hundred dollars. Make an appointment with a gastroenterologist asap and go from there. But expect this whole diagnostic process to possibly take weeks. Scheduling with specialists is not like getting into your PCP within a few days.

And no, doctors don't usually have clinic on weekends, nor should they be expected to. They are too tired busting their rears during the week when they are working much longer than 9-5, in my experience. They have lives and families too. You are expected to go to them during regular hours, that's what PTO is for.

You said ulcer or hernia, when not even I know what I have. This feeling could very well coming from other organ that is not the stomach. How would I know this without a test, xray, MRI, etc?

About the doctors, why don't they change their schedules. Instead of working on a friday, where most people are working, why not take the day off on friday and work on a saturday. What's the difference between a friday and saturday, but like I said, they wouldn't do that because their families and people they care about, probably also work monday to friday as everyone else.

No real difference between a friday and saturday, except what people have given emotional meaning to.

It is inconvenient for most people. Doctors don't care, because YOU have to move around your life to connect with them, and it should be the other way around. It is thanks to the patients, that they make a living. They should accommodate themselves to the convenience of patients.

Like on friday when I went for my nail biopsy, even the staff knew very well what I was going for, i called them, sent emails before which they responded, it wasn't my first time in that office either, as the doctor previously told me to return in 2 weeks for a biopsy, the doctor somehow didn't know I was coming in and told me in my face with an attitude "i dont want to do it, is the holidays and this is our last day here" like i was thinking in my head, lazy bastard, is just a biopsy of 20 minutes at most with local anesthesia and it was early in the morning, you're gonna get paid.

I had to take the day off, pay $60 total for an uber to the office and back home, as I didn't want to drive after local anesthesia and this guy wanted to send me home just because he didn't feel like doing it

Then, he consulted with the staff and other doctor, had no choice but to do it because it was already on record that this was what i was coming in for, not my fault that the staff sucks and doesn't communicate to the dermatologist

just shows how many doctors really are, they don't really care and think they are superior to you, can do whatever they want and break appointments just because you're just another patient and they can discard you

and despite all these wrongdoings, mistreatment of patients, disregard for appointments and concern, people still hold them in a altar, as god men who can do no wrong

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Old Today, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I mentioned ulcer or hernia because those are the two conditions you have been repeatedly bringing up as examples in your posts.

As far as your opinion of doctors, you're right, they make a living because of their patients. Your experience on Friday was not good, involved poor communication within the office, and you have a right to be irritated about how it went down. Your suggestion of a doctor seeing patients on a Sat versus a Fri works for PCP's, and in fact, some do see patients on Saturdays, but it would be very challenging for any specialty that requires ancillary support or staffing and services like radiology or pathology.

As to the rest of what you said, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. They many doctors I know care a lot about their patients, and make themselves available to them within reason. It's a two way street. I've spent 20 years living with a doctor and I have seen him work 100-110 hour weeks for 5 years straight; spent numerous holidays without him while he worked; watched him take holiday meals to patients with no family; watched him stress and second guess himself over patients whose outcomes were not good; worked our weekend plans around when he needed to round on patients (which he does every weekend because he usually has patients in the hospital, so that counts as working does it not?) etc etc.

In any event, I hope you get an answer soon for your issues, and I hope they are not serious.

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Old Today, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Its the holidays and it would be almost impossible to get an appointment with a doctor and even if I were to see one, what are the chances he has the equipment to do tests to check if I have peptic ulcer, hernia, or something else. How do I know in advance whatever doctor I go to, would even agree to order these tests for me. He would probably sent me to an specialist for tests, for days of waiting and jerking around.

I still have this tender feeling on my left upper abdomen, supposedly where the stomach is It comes and goes, it seems to get worse at night, if I stick out my belly, the burning/pain feeling gets worse, not sure what that means, why would it get worse when I stick out my belly?. It may be an ulcer since I only started experiencing this right after my recent acid reflux episode that was triggered by soda, alcohol, and other stuff

If I go to the ER with a complain of some pain on my upper abdomen, they'll probably do any test imaginable and figure out what I actually have. I would be left with a big bill though, but at least I know for a fact I don't have anything serious

I just can't deal with all this bureaucracy and waiting with a regular doctor. Would a primary doctor even do an endoscopy when I visit him? He would probably just say try these PPI or whatever, that's not good enough for me
Why not try Urgent Care instead, at a small fraction of the cost for an Emergency Room?
 
Old Today, 09:42 AM
 
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Why not try Urgent Care instead, at a small fraction of the cost for an Emergency Room?

I know there is this option, but I don't think they would do the tests I need. The reality is I don't know where this sensation is really coming from, it could be any organ. I only assume is the stomach ulcer because it started happening after my acid reflux episode, but I could be wrong.

I wanted to go to the ER because an xray and MRI may rule out any thing like tumours or anything abnormal happening in there. I don't think they would do endoscopy at the ER, but you never know. Would they do these at an urgent care clinic? I don't know, but I read negative experience of people going to these type of clinics and having to wait hours to be seen, only to be sent with nothing or a prescription for whatever, no real tests

For the endoscopy, i will probably have to go a gastroentereolist, that's fine, but that's assuming my problem is even in the stomach, it could be anywhere
 
Old Today, 10:21 AM
 
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You said ulcer or hernia, when not even I know what I have. This feeling could very well coming from other organ that is not the stomach. How would I know this without a test, xray, MRI, etc?

About the doctors, why don't they change their schedules. Instead of working on a friday, where most people are working, why not take the day off on friday and work on a saturday. What's the difference between a friday and saturday, but like I said, they wouldn't do that because their families and people they care about, probably also work monday to friday as everyone else.

No real difference between a friday and saturday, except what people have given emotional meaning to.

It is inconvenient for most people. Doctors don't care, because YOU have to move around your life to connect with them, and it should be the other way around. It is thanks to the patients, that they make a living. They should accommodate themselves to the convenience of patients.

Like on friday when I went for my nail biopsy,
even the staff knew very well what I was going for, i called them, sent emails before which they responded, it wasn't my first time in that office either, as the doctor previously told me to return in 2 weeks for a biopsy, the doctor somehow didn't know I was coming in and told me in my face with an attitude "i dont want to do it, is the holidays and this is our last day here" like i was thinking in my head, lazy bastard, is just a biopsy of 20 minutes at most with local anesthesia and it was early in the morning, you're gonna get paid.

I had to take the day off, pay $60 total for an uber to the office and back home, as I didn't want to drive after local anesthesia and this guy wanted to send me home just because he didn't feel like doing it

Then, he consulted with the staff and other doctor, had no choice but to do it because it was already on record that this was what i was coming in for, not my fault that the staff sucks and doesn't communicate to the dermatologist

just shows how many doctors really are, they don't really care and think they are superior to you, can do whatever they want and break appointments just because you're just another patient and they can discard you

and despite all these wrongdoings, mistreatment of patients, disregard for appointments and concern, people still hold them in a altar, as god men who can do no wrong
A nail biopsy and you couldn't drive???????


So you're going to the ER, the place with all the doctors, where they "don't really care & think they're superior to you"?????

None of your symptoms are emergencies. Full stop.
 
Old Today, 10:32 AM
 
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The ER is not an on-demand service where you can say you want a variety of tests. It does not work like that. They determine whether you are having an emergency and refer you to the appropriate specialist or your PCP if you are not. The end. How hard is it for you to understand. If you need a large battery of tests and it is not an emergency, then you have to wait for the specialist. It is that simple. There are people having heart attacks, strokes, broken bones, severe allergic reactions, automobile accidents, etc who actually need emergency room resources.
 
Old Today, 10:35 AM
 
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I gotta agree, doesn't sound like an emergency. All you will get is a referral to a GI doc.


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Old Today, 10:41 AM
 
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The ER is not an on-demand service where you can say you want a variety of tests. It does not work like that. They determine whether you are having an emergency and refer you to the appropriate specialist or your PCP if you are not. The end. How hard is it for you to understand. If you need a large battery of tests and it is not an emergency, then you have to wait for the specialist. It is that simple. There are people having heart attacks, strokes, broken bones, severe allergic reactions, automobile accidents, etc who actually need emergency room resources.
+1.

I think people forget it's an EMERGENCY room. As in death could be imminent.
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