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Old 01-10-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Having dealt with severe pain patients for years, both as a pharmacist and as in sales and marketing for several TENS companies, I hope they find a way soon!
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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That is interesting and it will be great for pain sufferers who have to deal with the backlash of the opioid crisis.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:53 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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The problem is -- there's pain and then there's suffering.


Theoretically, a mosquito bite should elicit the same amount of pain in everybody, but in reality, some people will suffer more with it than others. The pain signal is a simple reflex arc, while the suffering involves a complex web of neurologic activity in the brain.


Fancy-schmancy CT scans can see that some people have larger, more involved responses in the brain than others....So now the geniuses are proposing to do $1000 brain scans just so they don't have to listen to the patient who is telling them how much it hurts and what the CT will look like.


It's THE PATIENT's pain-- NOT the doctor's. Perception is reality.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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The problem is -- there's pain and then there's suffering.


Theoretically, a mosquito bite should elicit the same amount of pain in everybody, but in reality, some people will suffer more with it than others. The pain signal is a simple reflex arc, while the suffering involves a complex web of neurologic activity in the brain.


Fancy-schmancy CT scans can see that some people have larger, more involved responses in the brain than others....So now the geniuses are proposing to do $1000 brain scans just so they don't have to listen to the patient who is telling them how much it hurts and what the CT will look like.


It's THE PATIENT's pain-- NOT the doctor's. Perception is reality.
That would be great if no one lied to get opioids for illegal purposes.
Sadly, though, there are people who do lie. Some are very good at it.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:22 AM
 
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So do doctors have to start hitting patients with a bat? Does it hurt as much as this? *proceeds to hit their arm* or this *hits them in the knees* Sorry your broken limbs are not covered by insurance due to the pain test

they can calibrate pain for each patient but they have to put them through the same pain infliction first to gauge response

the scale of does it hurt as much as a sting? maybe but I was never stung before... so I am going to say yes
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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That would be great if no one lied to get opioids for illegal purposes.
Sadly, though, there are people who do lie. Some are very good at it.


But there are also pts who lie in order to get elaborate treatments, including surgery (Munchausen Syndrome).-- You are implying that we should make it very difficult to get surgery too just because there are those who lie about the need.


Some times you just gotta accept the inefficiencies in order that no one deserving is denied their due.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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But there are also pts who lie in order to get elaborate treatments, including surgery (Munchausen Syndrome).-- You are implying that we should make it very difficult to get surgery too just because there are those who lie about the need.


Some times you just gotta accept the inefficiencies in order that no one deserving is denied their due.
Exactly, which is happening now. Chronic pain sufferers have to jump through a lot of hoops to get their meds. And sometimes they cant get them at all. They should not be the collateral damage to the war on opioids.
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Old 01-12-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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Exactly, which is happening now. Chronic pain sufferers have to jump through a lot of hoops to get their meds. And sometimes they cant get them at all. They should not be the collateral damage to the war on opioids.
I couldn't agree more. Well said!
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Old 01-14-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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Pain is very subjective....what is killer to one, is tolerable to another.

There are other treatments for chronic pain than opioids.

My sister in law was "diagnosed" with RA.....and on pain medication for years.(15 plus) While she was in the hospital for the last time, the doctor said there was NO indication of rheumatoid arthritis.....nowhere in her body. She died. From opioids.

They kill people....even those who aren't "abusing" them.

If some doctor, somewhere, had bothered to check her for RA, this might have been avoided. Who knows. Once a diagnoses is made, it's rarely re-checked. Lots of room for mistakes and over-medicating.
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Old 01-14-2019, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Pain is very subjective....what is killer to one, is tolerable to another.

There are other treatments for chronic pain than opioids.
That may be true in some cases but not all. Some people depend on opioids to take away chronic debilitating pain.
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