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Old 02-14-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Cartels? Who said anything about cartels?

Cartels are the black market, but the black market is not necessarily "the Cartel."
Our federal government has spent a lot of effort to make the Drug Cartels big.

Today we stand at a unique place in history. Growing marijuana is legal in many states, so we are seeing a lot of US Citizens growing in their backyards and black market selling to their neighbors.

This cottage-industry black market is about the best way going to shut down the CIA's efforts to support the cartels.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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My son's many trips to the ER. I hate when people say there are no health issues. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cann...mesis_syndrome
I'm sorry about your daughter, but the first paragraph said treatment is taking a shower or bath.... and stop injesting cannabis.

I mean, if I'm diabetic, and I keep eating sugar, I'll end up in the hospital, that doesn't mean that sugar consumption (while not good) is SO bad it should be made illegal for others.

I thing that when discussing anything, it is important to differentiate between use, and abuse.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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So in your world-view, the primary 'problem' with marijuana is the behavior of children?

That would clearly be a parenting issue. I agree there are bad parents. But nothing in this thread is going to cause parents to decide to be better parents.
Not at all.

Person A said - pot isn't bad for you.
Person B said - yes it is, I had to take my child to the emergency room a bunch of times because of it.
Person A said - if it were legal, the person who sold weed to your child would be out of business.

I entered the conversation and said - that is not an accurate statement. Legalization will not put an end to people selling weed to children.

The poster named hunterseat is the parent. I feel empathy for hunterseat. I don't think you can fairly assert that hunterseat is a bad parent. But go for it.

For the record, once again, I want an end to prohibition. But even though I agree with ocnjgirl, I will call out factual errors when I see them. I think it is helpful.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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I'm sorry about your daughter, but the first paragraph said treatment is taking a shower or bath.... and stop injesting cannabis.

I mean, if I'm diabetic, and I keep eating sugar, I'll end up in the hospital, that doesn't mean that sugar consumption (while not good) is SO bad it should be made illegal for others.
Thanks for this excellent point.
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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Cartels are not going to be what they are now when their only market is kids. Kids will get it the same way they get alcohol now, ask a 21 year old brother, fake I.d., steal it from their parents, etc. that’s the American way, lol. But at least it will be standardized and meet quality and safety standards.

You’re right I should not have made it a definitive statement.
Marijuana is not a cash cow for drug cartels, they dont fight and kill each other over marijuana turf and smuggling routes, that is relegated to heroin, cocaine and now with meth to some degree.


When I was using heroin a couple years ago, it was around $150-180 PER GRAM!! (more valuable than gold), marijuana was around $50 for a half bag (half oz).
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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]Our federal government has spent a lot of effort to make the Drug Cartels big.[/b]

Today we stand at a unique place in history. Growing marijuana is legal in many states, so we are seeing a lot of US Citizens growing in their backyards and black market selling to their neighbors.

This cottage-industry black market is about the best way going to shut down the CIA's efforts to support the cartels.
Absolutely correct!!


Just look at how aggressive the DEA/Fed govt cracked down on opioid prescription drugs when they started to become popular with addicts....they had to get rid of the competition for the cartels...so now we have heroin epidemics and not painkiller epidemics!!


We have an entire Federal agency in place (DEA), to ensure the drug cartels profit as much as possible!!
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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Marijuana is not a cash cow for drug cartels, they dont fight and kill each other over marijuana turf and smuggling routes, that is relegated to heroin, cocaine and now with meth to some degree.
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. . . we are seeing a lot of US Citizens growing in their backyards and black market selling to their neighbors. This cottage-industry black market is about the best way going to shut down the CIA's efforts to support the cartels.
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Absolutely correct!! Just look at how aggressive the DEA/Fed govt cracked down on opioid prescription drugs when they started to become popular with addicts....they had to get rid of the competition for the cartels...so now we have heroin epidemics and not painkiller epidemics!! We have an entire Federal agency in place (DEA), to ensure the drug cartels profit as much as possible!!
rstevens62, your posts seem to contradict each other.

First you say that weed is chump change for cartels, then you agree with Submariner that the cottage-industry black market resulting from citizens growing in their backyards and selling to their neighbors is "about the best way going to shut down the CIA's efforts to support the cartels."

Just trying to get clear on what you mean.

Thanks.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Joe Rogan had this guy on a few days ago and you can listen to how clueless and full of BS Berenson is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHwSmwEwmV4
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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Joe Rogan had this guy on a few days ago and you can listen to how clueless and full of BS Berenson is
Ziva Cooper, research director at UCLA’s Cannabis Research Initiative and committee member on the National Academy’s report, told Rolling Stone that Berenson misinterpreted their conclusions about schizophrenia.

“To say that we concluded cannabis causes schizophrenia, it’s just wrong, and it’s meant to precipitate fear,” Cooper said, mentioning the association between schizophrenia and cannabis use required more evidence before drawing any definitive conclusions.

“People who have schizophrenia are also known to be very heavy tobacco smokers, but we don’t say that tobacco causes schizophrenia,” she added.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...olling-777741/
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Old 02-14-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Not at all.

Person A said - pot isn't bad for you.
Person B said - yes it is, I had to take my child to the emergency room a bunch of times because of it.
Person A said - if it were legal, the person who sold weed to your child would be out of business.

I entered the conversation and said - that is not an accurate statement. Legalization will not put an end to people selling weed to children.

The poster named hunterseat is the parent. I feel empathy for hunterseat. I don't think you can fairly assert that hunterseat is a bad parent. But go for it.

For the record, once again, I want an end to prohibition. But even though I agree with ocnjgirl, I will call out factual errors when I see them. I think it is helpful.
There will always be people who have a serious reaction to peanuts, or to milk, or marijuana.

Simply because 1 person out of every 100,000 people has such a reaction, does not make peanuts 'bad' for everyone.

That has nothing to do with bad parenting.

If your minor child has cash in his pocket and goes out to buy an illegal substance, I point to bad parenting. Why does this minor child have so much cash?
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