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Old 02-08-2019, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Vitamin A-- you can get too much. That's why polar bear liver is toxic.
Vitamin K- no one needs it in the diet, Our gut flora makes all we need. Commensalism.
Vitamin C- good source. Big deal. One vitamin that potato can give almost half your requirement too.


I mentioned kale & tomatoes because they're always mentioned as being so good for us. They're better than Ho-Hos, but not much.


If a nutrient is less than 10% of RDA in any given food, then that's not nutrition dense- you need too many servings to provide the need. That doesn't mean you shouldn't eat it. It just means you need other sources too. I wouldn't consider any RDA less than 20% to be a "good" source of anything.
VItamin A - good thing I cited kale (which only crazy people eat daily) and not polar bear liver which is very difficult to find in my local stores and is prohibitively expensive anyway..

Vitamin K - debatable that you don't need it in your diet:https://www.caltonnutrition.com/vita...-and-bacteria/
"Vitamin K2, aka menaquinone, is the vitamin K of (intestinal) bacteria. Because ruminating animals use bacteria for the bulk of their green-plant-digestion, their guts are factories for vitamin K2. So is yours, to an extent – your good gut bacteria can convert vitamin K1 to K2, although the debate rages as to whether modern humans can convert an adequate amount of K1 to K2 to support basic functions. However, new research does not support these levels being adequate for heart or bone health- so we will continue to monitor and report new findings as we have them."

Vitamin C - oh yes, you forgot all the vitamin C in onions too - all the better for early sailors to avoid scurvy....so what? One orange or 2 onions - I'll take the orange, thanks.

I also never said that 10% of a daily requirement is nutrient dense - that's why I didn't bother mentioning them.

Go ahead - eat your meat and potatoes - you've got it all figured out. Oh - if you hate veggies so much, you can get lots of magnesium in many kinds of nuts.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:18 PM
 
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Ahh, I understand. So is your problem too much or too little estrogen? Sorry, I am a male, can't relate directly.

On a side note, I also want to mention that if you eat "regular" beef, cattle are known to be given estrogen in the fattening-up process. It may not be that much per serving but it could add up if you eat a lot of it. I do remember another post on this, it's been a while. It was about men and boys developing breasts. This is the suspected cause.

As you say, the information is conflicting but in the article I posted, there is a link to a conclusive study done in 2014. It may interest you.



Article here
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...34735413502076

Estrogen receptive cancers involve too much estrogen. Thanks for the link. A lot of pesticides also contain estrogen, so we've gone organic.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:04 AM
 
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I've read that magnesium improves heart rhythm - so less pvcs and pacs if you suffer from them.
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Old 02-09-2019, 03:43 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Go ahead - eat your meat and potatoes - you've got it all figured out. Oh - if you hate veggies so much, you can get lots of magnesium in many kinds of nuts.

I think you're missing my point....My original contention is that(a) there is no really good, single source of many vits & mins (b) many of us, according to the "official RDAs," are not getting enough of certain vits/mins on a regular basis (are the RDAs right?)..and (c)meat is probably the best single source, all things considered, of nutrients, while potatoes could be argued to be the best single plant for nutrient density.


That does not mean we needn't eat plant material, but that if we eat mostly plant material, we're going to spend a heckuvalot of time searching for an adequate mix & amount to fill our needs....There's a reason herbivores spend most of the day grazing and browsing while carnivores spend most of the day sleeping or inventing fire.
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Old 02-09-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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Funny - sounds like those commercials that say "x" has more Vitamin C than a whole loaf of bread! When of COURSE bread isn't known to have much at all Vitamin C so it is a bogus comparison.

Kale has:
206% daily Vitamin A
134% daily Vitamin C
684% daily Vitamin K
and a bunch of others that aren't so impressive...like most foods!

Sure, meat is good but you moved the goalposts when you threw in kale and tomatoes....and you're cherrypicking what vitamins you're counting with individual foods. OMG - oranges are a lousy source of protein (but they're a good source of Vitamin C - who cares?). Oh no - spinach has no B6 (and only 301% of your Vitamin A!). The point is to eat a variety...or just take vitamins since you're worried..about magnesium at least.
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I think you're missing my point....My original contention is that(a) there is no really good, single source of many vits & mins (b) many of us, according to the "official RDAs," are not getting enough of certain vits/mins on a regular basis (are the RDAs right?)..and (c)meat is probably the best single source, all things considered, of nutrients, while potatoes could be argued to be the best single plant for nutrient density.


That does not mean we needn't eat plant material, but that if we eat mostly plant material, we're going to spend a heckuvalot of time searching for an adequate mix & amount to fill our needs....There's a reason herbivores spend most of the day grazing and browsing while carnivores spend most of the day sleeping or inventing fire.
I guess you missed my original point. And I never said anything about eating ONLY or even MOSTLY vegetables but it seems you have an agenda that you want to push regardless of how people respond. I think it's funny that people think vegetables are all that vegetarians eat. REAL vegetarians eat lots of legumes that are great sources of protein and fiber. It's silly to make foods compete with each other and only eat those that are the most "x".

Also someone else talked about getting tired of lettuce - geez, if there is another veg emptier in nutrients than lettuce I don't know one! To judge vegetables on the basis of lettuce is like saying you can't get all your vitamins from water - so that's a pretty poor excuse.
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Penna
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check out DR. Berg on You Tube
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Old Today, 12:31 AM
 
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I believe you need K2 with vitamin D, that’s what my vitamin D comes with.
I have doubts about eating nuts providing you with enough magnesium, because my husband eat lots of nuts daily. All kinds. He still lacks magnesium.
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Old Today, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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I believe you need K2 with vitamin D, thatís what my vitamin D comes with.
I have doubts about eating nuts providing you with enough magnesium, because my husband eat lots of nuts daily. All kinds. He still lacks magnesium.
How low are his blood levels?
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Old Today, 10:57 AM
 
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How low are his blood levels?
I don’t know, but when he was in the hospital last they said his was low for hospital. So they gave him some. So we’re now monitoring his Magnesium level.
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