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Old Today, 08:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
That's not really fair.

Medications have side effects, and usually you won't get them.

When you do, you have other mitigating factors that allowed those side effects to present.

Most typically if you take a medication you won't experience rare side effects, and you have to balance the value of the med against the risk of the side effect.

My guess is, these parents of the 5 year old didn't think their daughter was in the high risk category for these horrific effects, and they proceeded with tamiflu to relieve her of the flu symptoms.

But in fact, she was, mysteriously, in the high risk category unbeknownst to them.
be responsible for your care or don't. reading material provided does not mean you don't take the medication. it means you are informed.

 
Old Today, 09:00 AM
 
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I read your italic "uncommon" as sarcasm, as in ... more common.

And I had not heard of it and neither had my friends ... so it's new to me. Probably because I think tamiflu is a waste of time I never paid attention to whenever this was apparently big news?
You aren't addressing the issue of responsibility of patients to read the readily available information on side effects.
 
Old Today, 09:30 AM
 
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newtovenice, just over a year ago the daughter of friends had a similar reaction. She was 15 and ended up in a psych ward for 2 weeks until it was determined she had an adverse reaction to Tamiflu.

Shortly after that, I read about the 6 y.o. in Texas who tried to jump out of a window. https://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...icle-1.3757787

Do you know if the parents asked the doctor if he reported their daughter's reaction? How many of these reactions go unreported? 65% of these doctors polled have never reported a suspected adverse drug reaction. Only 5% did it regularly. https://mediately.co/research/do-doc...-side-effects/

The first thing people should know about Tamiflu is that it only reduces flu symptoms by ONE day. Is it worth it? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/new...for-influenza/



I searched the forum and found this http://www.city-data.com/forum/50877353-post1.html

Apparently Japan banned it in 2007 after 12 teens died.
 
Old Today, 09:34 AM
 
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.XGBEUnbYo3E

Japan lifts more than decade-old ban on use of Tamiflu for 10- to 19-year-olds
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Old Today, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Um... did you miss the part where the doctor didn't tell them about the risks, but then said, oh, yeah, it's a side effect?

And yes, it was 100% caused by Tamiflu.
You don't know that. Correlation is not causation. Convenient timing doesn't mean something caused something else. And did the child receive the flu shot? If not, I have little sympathy. It's likely she didn't get the flu shot if they received all these negative comments like you say. My sister absolutely refuses to get the flu shot. She says, "Lots of people who get the flu shot still get the flu anyway." True, but people are 0% protected from it if they don't get vaccinated, and the flu can actually be fatal. Her entire family just down with the flu and she continues to cling to this ridiculous belief.
 
Old Today, 09:39 AM
 
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You aren't addressing the issue of responsibility of patients to read the readily available information on side effects.
Absolutely, I'll make it 200% clear:

1. Parent should be aware of all side effects of every medication that is prescribed. Parents should understand that their doctor and pharmacist will never tell them all the risks for every drug.

2. Parents can then decide NOT to give it to their child for any reason of their choosing based on what they have learned. They can tell their doctor, no I will NOT be giving this immediately to my child. And the doctor will respond: Absolutely, you don't have to. I respect your decision.

3. No one should ever require that their child be forced to receive any medication that they decide is not right for their child. Since the responsibility is solely on the parent, not the doctor, pharmacist or drug manufacturer, parents should always have final say on what drug their child receives, and no person or agency should override it.

Agreed?

And in this case, since the child had the flu, no one should have question their decision IF they had passed on Tamiflu because they didn't want to expose the child to the risk. I can only imagine if the child were older and killed herself in the middle of the night while they were sleeping. My heart break for what the parents went through.

Leaving this discussion, as my intent was to pass on information that I had not heard before. Didn't realize this would turn into a parent slamming/blaming discussion. But that's what happened to them on F B, so I shouldn't be surprised that was the turn here.
 
Old Today, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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This above is what you said.

That every individual has the sole responsibility of self educating and then can make their own choice based on that self education.

Freedom of choice for deciding what medications to take. For all possible medications.
Yep. Even vaccines. Just keep in mind that if you use bad information to do your risk assessment you may make a bad decision about whether or not to take the medication.

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Patient: "Should I be worried about any side effects from this drug [which I have never heard of and have no information on right now during my 5 min visit with you]?"

Doctor: "No, the drug is safe. Not really anything to be worried about. But you really need to start taking it immediately for it to have any effect."

End conversation. Or does your doctor go to the PI and read every side effect to you for every drug you take, and explain all the risks/benefits and statistics during your 5 min visit?
Actually, no doctor would say that.

The real scenario:

Doctor: "The two most common side effects of Tamiflu are nausea and vomiting, which are usually not all that severe and occur within two days of starting treatment. Taking it with food can usually lessen the risk of these side effects. There are other side effects, but they are uncommon, and in my experience it is usually well tolerated.

Do you have any questions? No?

If you have any concerns or she is not better in a day or two please call the office."

I already pointed out that no doctor is going to discuss every rare side effect of every drug. Unless you cannot read why would you expect someone else to read the patient info to you?
 
Old Today, 10:27 AM
 
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Informative but will develop into a fight so this is closed.
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