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Old Yesterday, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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All true. When the outcome isn't what a person hoped it may be easier to blame someone for wrongdoing than to wrap their head around the concept of unhappy chance or unrealistic expectation. You have to prove wrongdoing, but some people don't bother. They've been victimized and that's all that matters. Get a lot of mileage out of it.
Who else does the patient blame, themselves I guess. They cut themselves open. I'd love to hear from you who is to blame for damage from surgeries? Please.
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Old Yesterday, 01:12 PM
 
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Who else does the patient blame, themselves I guess. They cut themselves open. I'd love to hear from you who is to blame for damage from surgeries? Please.
Well, hmm. The surgeon goes over the procedure and states, "The benefits of this surgery are A, B, and C. The possible adverse side effects are X, Y, and Z. Sign here if you would like to proceed."

The patient signs.

One of the stated adverse side effects occurs.

Is anyone here to blame??
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Old Yesterday, 01:46 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Is anyone here to blame??
This is the question...should blame exist. If you are someone who must assign blame for your misfortunes, you're going to search until you find a likely target. The surgeon, as well as anyone else involved in the procedure are all within firing range whether it is deserved or not.
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Old Yesterday, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Is anyone here to blame??
If you believe that for every situation there is a victim, well sure there's someone to blame.

It's like going to work for a giant corporation but starting out at the lowest level, then believing one is being victimized by having to start out at the lowest level.

Anyway, I guess we're not going to talk about when nerve damage happens before the surgery, because apparently that never occurs. Except for mine. Which took a year but it finally healed.

Sometimes it seems the elderly on this board believe they'd still have the body of a 24 year old were it not for all those "unnecessary" surgeries.
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Old Yesterday, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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This is the question...should blame exist. If you are someone who must assign blame for your misfortunes, you're going to search until you find a likely target. The surgeon, as well as anyone else involved in the procedure are all within firing range whether it is deserved or not.
This post is NOT about blame!!!!! I'm letting off steam for pain I deal with from 3 surgeries and nerve damage.
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Old Yesterday, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Nerve damages are a major complications from so many surgeries, that's all I'm sayin.
Jamin, I'm sorry you live with pain and discomfort, but your above statement is nowhere near true statistically speaking. Nerve damage is a known and possible risk of many surgical procedures, yes, but it doesn't occur in anywhere near "many" surgeries, let alone most. In fact, the percentage of cases that result in nerve damage that was not present prior to the procedure is actually quite small.

So the likelihood that all three of your surgeries resulted in nerve damage as a direct result of those surgeries is very, very unlikely.

I've had two surgeries and no nerve damage. I guess I must have just been really lucky?
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Old Yesterday, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Jamin, I'm sorry you live with pain and discomfort, but your above statement is nowhere near true statistically speaking. Nerve damage is a known and possible risk of many surgical procedures, yes, but it doesn't occur in anywhere near "many" surgeries, let alone most. In fact, the percentage of cases that result in nerve damage that was not present prior to the procedure is actually quite small.

So the likelihood that all three of your surgeries resulted in nerve damage as a direct result of those surgeries is very, very unlikely.

I've had two surgeries and no nerve damage. I guess I must have just been really lucky?
Yes, you are very lucky. And I was NOT. There are millions living with Nerve Damage issues and a huge number from surgeries.
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Old Yesterday, 02:14 PM
 
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This post is NOT about blame!!!!! I'm letting off steam for pain I deal with from 3 surgeries and nerve damage.
Jamin, venting is understandable. Getting old and being in pain are not fun. I want to say as kindly as possible, you are getting the reactions you are getting here because you have a reputation for blaming the medical field alone for everything bad that happens to the human body, and so people immediately think "Oh, there she goes again."

Fact is, most people in their 80s have some pain and some loss of ability to do things they did when younger, plus some regrets about things they wish they had done differently. But if you hadn't had those surgeries, would you still be feeling some pain and be experiencing reduced mobility now? Almost certainly yes.

I'm just saying you will get more sympathy if you phrase your vent more along the lines of "I'm having a lot of pain these days, doesn't getting old s*ck?" Plenty of people are going to agree with you there.
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Old Yesterday, 02:42 PM
 
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This post is NOT about blame!!!!! I'm letting off steam for pain I deal with from 3 surgeries and nerve damage.
but I thought your gso and growth hormone fixed your issues. I'm sorry they aren't working anymore and you are back to having pain.
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Old Yesterday, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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but I thought your gso and growth hormone fixed your issues. I'm sorry they aren't working anymore and you are back to having pain.
They are helping but not reversing 20-30 yrs of damage in a few months. I was feeling more pain this morning and felt like a rant, OK. And the hormone won't make me 20 again. Nor 60.
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