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Old 09-03-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Jamin, venting is understandable. Getting old and being in pain are not fun. I want to say as kindly as possible, you are getting the reactions you are getting here because you have a reputation for blaming the medical field alone for everything bad that happens to the human body, and so people immediately think "Oh, there she goes again."

Fact is, most people in their 80s have some pain and some loss of ability to do things they did when younger, plus some regrets about things they wish they had done differently. But if you hadn't had those surgeries, would you still be feeling some pain and be experiencing reduced mobility now? Almost certainly yes.

I'm just saying you will get more sympathy if you phrase your vent more along the lines of "I'm having a lot of pain these days, doesn't getting old s*ck?" Plenty of people are going to agree with you there.
I was NOT looking for sympathy. Thanks...I was letting off steam for my own sake. I had some anger to let out. I would never go to a group of people I don't know anyway if I wanted sympathy. Which I don't seek, I've been taking care of me too long. And hopefully that continues.

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Old 09-03-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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Yes, you are very lucky. And I was NOT. There are millions living with Nerve Damage issues and a huge number from surgeries.
And the vast overwhelming majority of patients who undergo surgery of any sort have no such nerve damage
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Old 09-03-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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I was NOT looking for sympathy. Thanks...I was letting off steam for my own sake. I had some anger to let out. I would never go to a group of people I don't know anyway if I wanted sympathy. Which I don't seek, I've been taking care of me too long. And hopefully that continues.
So, why do you go to a group of people you don't know to vent and rant online? If you're expecting and desiring no response, why not just write in a journal instead of putting your feelings out to all kinds of people you don't care about and don't want to hear from anyway?

I'm thinking that if you had had no response whatsoever to your original post, you'd be feeling a little put out right now. Maybe I'm wrong. But generally people post on online forums because they want people to read what they've written and respond. That's how it works.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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So, why do you go to a group of people you don't know to vent and rant online? If you're expecting and desiring no response, why not just write in a journal instead of putting your feelings out to all kinds of people you don't care about and don't want to hear from anyway?

I'm thinking that if you had had no response whatsoever to your original post, you'd be feeling a little put out right now. Maybe I'm wrong. But generally people post on online forums because they want people to read what they've written and respond. That's how it works.
Plus it provides yet another opportunity to rant on about the "evil" medical establishment.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:35 PM
 
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While surgeons do everything possible to avoid cutting nerves, sometimes it's unavoidable.


Also scar tissue can compress nerves creating nephropathyies


There is no way of knowing before the cutting and healing begins



Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:36 PM
 
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Nerve damages are a major complications from so many surgeries, that's all I'm sayin.

Nerve damage is a complication with some surgeries
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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Well, hmm. The surgeon goes over the procedure and states, "The benefits of this surgery are A, B, and C. The possible adverse side effects are X, Y, and Z. Sign here if you would like to proceed."

The patient signs.

One of the stated adverse side effects occurs.

Is anyone here to blame??

When I had 4 blocked arteries (95%+ in 3 and 100% in the other) I didn't give a crap about adverse effects. Without the surgery I would have died.



Like others, I was handed a form to sign explaining all the things that could have gone wrong and didn't sign it!



That was 26 years ago and my leg is still numb and has neuropathies.



That's my fault. I ignored the complications, and that's on me. But, I am alive!!!!!!





I think, other than when asked by my doc, I never mentioned it to anyone before tonight! It hurts, but no one else gives a crap!
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:46 PM
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I'm feeling enough angst and pain this morning due to 40 yrs of Sciatic nerve damage from hysterectomy in the 80's...I've had some years of relief but have been in a flair for a couple miserable years.

And the major nerve damage from hip replacement, right side of body is sore and pretty dead.

And believe nerve damage from knee arthroscopy clean out a couple yrs ago.

3 types of surgeries in my life and plenty of damage.

If one escapes nerve damage due to surgeries they are very fortunate.

I've had 43 surgeries, with one more scheduled for October. All due to degenerative arthritis. I don't think I have experienced nerve damage so far, but I've had many of my surgeries at Johns Hopkins by the head of the respective departments. I have so much going on it's hard to tell what's bothering me, however I'm in very little pain most of the time. I think the combination of a great hospital and doctor do make a world of difference as to how the surgeries turn out.

I find that CBD from cannnibus does help with pain. I also have a pain specialist to help me with my pain management needs.

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Old 09-03-2019, 06:52 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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This post is NOT about blame!!!!! I'm letting off steam for pain I deal with from 3 surgeries and nerve damage.

The FACT is that nerve damage virtually never occurs due to the process of cutting, moving, tying etc performed by the surgeon. [Surgeons are taught to say "Excellent! Excellent!" instead of "Oops!" }


Nerve damage IS known to occur in a predictable number of surgeries, mainly due to the positioning of the pt. There are many cases of sciatica in hysterectomy by vaginal approach, for instance, as the legs are put up in stirrups and the patient's relaxed legs twist out. Steps are taken to support the legs to prevent that, but sometimes it fails.


Now the rate of that complication is on the order of 1 in 10,000 (that's 10^3). And if it happens on the first surgery, but then again on a second surgery, the chances of that are 10^3 x 10^3 = 1 in one million, and for it to happen again on your third surgery, we're talkin one in a billion pts.


The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars.... Sciatica occurs in up to 40% of people over the course of a lifetime.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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I have 13 stents
2x fem-pops (femoral arteries graphed)
abdominal aorta graphed
And just had a carotid stented

All before 45.

No nerve damage.
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