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Old Today, 11:53 AM
 
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Psychiatrists are as legitimate as chiropractors, homeopaths, and African shamen. Being a real doctor mean having actual medical skills, which psychiatrists don’t. Their discipline is a modern pseudoscience, something that could only take hold and become widely accepted in an insane society. While other disciplines were advancing with genetics and biochemistry, in psychiatry, creepy academics and bureaucrats with deep ties to the FDA-regulated drug industry sat around on committees and voted the illnesses they would treat into existence. They made up fancy, sciency-sounding buzzwords like “chemical imbalance” to explain these phenomena, completely invisible and undetectable to anyone but themselves. They cherry-picked research that showed their methods “worked” (by arbitrary, subjective standards), pushed drugs that blatantly don’t work on millions of people, and to this day refuse to admit their mistakes.
sounds like someone has drunk the scientology koolaid

 
Old Today, 12:23 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Sounds like *someone* has a burr in his/her saddle as regards to psychiatrists.
The OP isn't the only one. Nor is it limited to one discipline. Lots of burrs under saddles and melodramatic attempts to paint all MDs with the same brush around here lately.
 
Old Today, 12:26 PM
 
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A clininal psychologist is generally not a medical doctor although they might hold a doctorate such as a Phd, however a psychiatrist has to be fully qualified medical doctor and has to pass medical school and then progress through further medical training in order to become a Consultant in Psychiatry (Mental Health).

Yes. People often seem to confuse psychiatrist and psychologist and not recognize the difference.
 
Old Today, 12:37 PM
 
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I think the OP is definitely speaking figuratively. He/she knows a psychiatrist is a medical doctor first - what he/she is saying is that psychiatrists are phony "doctors" - that their only purpose is to create fake maladies (re: DSM) and prescribe drugs.

I agree with that and don't know how it could possibly be disputed.
 
Old Today, 12:39 PM
 
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"Chemical imbalance" sound bite was create by the pharmaceutical industry to "sell" drugs to doctors. There are many articles online, some scholarly.
 
Old Today, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Pyschiatrists are legally doctors, but they do not do any objective testing to reach a diagnosis.
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Those are test to identify physical diseases. The tests are objective.

There is no such thing as an objective test for "chemical imbalance" which is the reason tossed around as to why so many people are on psych drugs for mental issues.
I disagree. Many of their tests are objective. IE, a psychiatrist would use CARS or ADOS to diagnose autism.

But there are lots of other things that are subjective as well that Internists, etc, use for diagnosing patients. IE, a doctor looks at a wound and makes a determination if the swelling and redness is a function of healing, or if its infected. Pain, arthritis, etc, are similarly often difficult to diagnose in the sense that high cholesterol is.
 
Old Today, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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I think the OP is definitely speaking figuratively. He/she knows a psychiatrist is a medical doctor first - what he/she is saying is that psychiatrists are phony "doctors" - that their only purpose is to create fake maladies (re: DSM) and prescribe drugs.

I agree with that and don't know how it could possibly be disputed.
I don't think there's anything that's Phony about Schizophrenia, or Bipolar, or Depression or Anxiety or PTSD. Panic Attacks, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Autism, are all very real. Medications help some of these quite a bit.
 
Old Today, 01:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by nobodysbusiness View Post
I think the OP is definitely speaking figuratively. He/she knows a psychiatrist is a medical doctor first - what he/she is saying is that psychiatrists are phony "doctors" - that their only purpose is to create fake maladies (re: DSM) and prescribe drugs.

I agree with that and don't know how it could possibly be disputed.
How could your "biased" opinion "possibly disputed"????

Seriously???

Are you under the impression that your "opinions" are indisputable facts????

( I can find the DSM diagnosis for that particular delusion if you like)

You have an agenda/bias against conventional medicine THAT "cannot possibly disputed"

Your opinion however is easily disputed and dismissed with FACTS, research, science, clinical experience....take your pick it really isn't difficult to "dispute" your opinion
 
Old Today, 01:35 PM
 
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Pyschiatrists are legally doctors, but they do not do any objective testing to reach a diagnosis.
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"Critics of psychiatry often argue that psychiatric diagnosis lacks “objectivity,” particularly when compared with diagnosis in other medical specialties. However, when one examines interrater reliability—an important component of objectivity—the kappa values for several major psychiatric disorders are generally on a par with those in other medical specialties."

"I believe there is as much objective science in psychiatry as there is in most other medical specialties, which is to say an impressive but not overwhelming amount. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860522/

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Old Today, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by ifb253 View Post
Psychiatrists are as legitimate as chiropractors, homeopaths, and African shamen. Being a real doctor mean having actual medical skills, which psychiatrists don’t. Their discipline is a modern pseudoscience, something that could only take hold and become widely accepted in an insane society. While other disciplines were advancing with genetics and biochemistry, in psychiatry, creepy academics and bureaucrats with deep ties to the FDA-regulated drug industry sat around on committees and voted the illnesses they would treat into existence. They made up fancy, sciency-sounding buzzwords like “chemical imbalance” to explain these phenomena, completely invisible and undetectable to anyone but themselves. They cherry-picked research that showed their methods “worked” (by arbitrary, subjective standards), pushed drugs that blatantly don’t work on millions of people, and to this day refuse to admit their mistakes.
You may not like them or trust of believe in them but they are very much real doctors. With all the training a doctor has plus the 4 years of specialty training. Psychologists are not MDs but they do have advance degrees. I don't know why or where you got your information.
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