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Old 11-12-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Early America
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True vegans do not intentionally "cheat." Veganism is about more than food. The idea of eating animals or wearing animal skins is abhorrent and the thought of the cruelty behind the dairy industry makes those products repellant to me.
It's not for me to judge.

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An awful lot of people on this thread are confusing veganism with a plant-based diet. The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are not the same thing.
Agree. They are NOT the same. A plant based diet does not forego all animal products, nor have any plant based populations done so throughout human history. The traditional Mediterranean diet is one example of a plant based diet.
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Old 11-12-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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To add to that, there are great documentaries on Netflix that show what the feedlot industry is doing to our planet. And of course, Monsanto/Bayer.....

You do realize that Netflix is not a reliable primary source but an entertainment venue, don't you?



Or do you believe that the creatures in the cantina scene in the original Star Wars actually exist, as well?



I live surrounded by the pastures of one of the two largest cattle handling operations of its kind in the country. (Big enough that at one time, and possibly still, they had a contract with McDonald's to provide beef for them.) I see every single day how those cattle are raised - in fact, one of their pastures adjoins my drive and others are on two sides of our little ranch. I stop and talk to the steers whenever I drive or walk down the driveway. In other words, I KNOW how they are kept.


Let's just say that I should live so well, comparatively. And if I notice that one has a runny nose when I'm talking to them, I make a phone call and within minutes someone is there taking care of him.



So I'm stuck with a choice - believe the propaganda, or believe what's right in front of my own eyes. Gee, wonder which one I'd choose?



Which is not to say that there are not bad apples in the beef industry, just like there are bad apples among vegans - all arenas of human endeavor have them. But to insist that they are the majority due to some propaganda films and/or ideology? Not hardly.



I could also get into my spiritual reasons for eating meat, as well, involving the arrogance of patting oneself on the back for stepping out of one's place in the Great Circle of life and thinking that makes one somehow superior not only to one's fellow humans but to the rest of creation itself including those animals one claims to love.



But this is far astray from the purpose of this thread. Basically, people should eat what their own body, not someone else's, tells them keeps them healthy, and not practice a diet that does otherwise. It really is that simple.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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An awful lot of people on this thread are confusing veganism with a plant-based diet. The terms are often used interchangeably, but they are not the same thing.
I agree 100%!
Any "diet" good or bad, can be sabotaged through the consumption of processed foods. Processed foods are readily available to the masses, made for convenience and PROFIT! If you think those meals that you zap in the microwave for 2 minutes to feed your family are as healthy as the meals your mother or grandmother made you from real ingredients, you have been brainwashed. If you cannot pronounce the long list of ingredients on any package....you probably should not consume it.
Corporate food has probably done more harm to this country than war!
So if you think trading in that Big Mac for an Impossible Whopper will make you healthier, it won't. It will only make the wallets of the investors of Impossible Foods healthier.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Early America
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This right here. Short of an actual allergy, dairy is fine for human beings. I don't particularly care for milk or cheese, though I'm learning due to a Vitamin D deficiency, but it's definitely not poison.
Vitamin D doesn't occur naturally in milk. It's added to it. Adding Vitamin D to a food doesn't make it a healthy choice for everyone. The percentage of dairy allergy is low, but WHO and other health organizatons estimate that 70-75% of the world's population is lactose intolerant which leads to all sorts of health issues.

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Funny how some people insist that what works for them is what everyone should do. Nothing could be further from the truth, however comforting it might be to think so.
I agree ... like the comforting notion some have that dairy is fine for everyone.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Early America
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the feedlot industry
And factory farms with chickens and pigs. The animals raised that way and on unnatural diets are not healthy therefore unhealthy to eat.

I support those who raise animals in their natural environments and on their natural diets.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:19 AM
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Location: Midwestern Dystopia
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I live surrounded by the pastures of one of the two largest cattle handling operations of its kind in the country. (Big enough that at one time, and possibly still, they had a contract with McDonald's to provide beef for them.) I see every single day how those cattle are raised - in fact, one of their pastures adjoins my drive and others are on two sides of our little ranch. I stop and talk to the steers whenever I drive or walk down the driveway. In other words, I KNOW how they are kept.


Let's just say that I should live so well, comparatively. And if I notice that one has a runny nose when I'm talking to them, I make a phone call and within minutes someone is there taking care of him.

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This is, well,,, B()LLSH!T !!!!!!!
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:33 AM
 
Location: SoCal again
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Years ago I went vegan for a couple years, but ended up feeling very tired & eventually went back to being a vegetarian.

Nearly 5 years ago I returned to veganism for ethical reasons. This time I'm much more careful to eat a variety of healthy foods & take vitamin & mineral supplements that are specifically for vegans.

All I can say is, I'm a woman in my late 50s who weighs 110 lbs., has never had cancer, diabetes, heart disease, arthritis, or any other serious illness, & has loads of energy. Some of that may be genes, but I attribute a lot of it to my diet.

It gets easier every year to be a vegan, so many new vegan alternatives keep being introduced. Also, I've seen so many videos & photos & first hand accounts of the treatment of animals in the food industry, I don't feel the slightest temptation to go back.
I wonder if the people who experience health issues with eating vegan, just do not pay enough attention to what they eat to get all the nutritions they need or if some people are just not meant to be vegan.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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I wonder if the people who experience health issues with eating vegan, just do not pay enough attention to what they eat to get all the nutritions they need or if some people are just not meant to be vegan.
In order to be a healthy vegan you have to take a b12 supplement and it has to be a slow release, taken sublingually. B12 comes from animal proteins. There is no way to get it through plants. A b12 deficiency is cause for alarm.


"Are you at risk of vitamin B12 deficiency?

There are many causes for vitamin B12 deficiency. Surprisingly, two of them are practices often undertaken to improve health: a vegetarian diet and weight-loss surgery.

Plants don’t make vitamin B12. The only foods that deliver it are meat, eggs, poultry, dairy products, and other foods from animals. Strict vegetarians and vegans are at high risk for developing a B12 deficiency if they don’t eat grains that have been fortified with the vitamin or take a vitamin supplement. People who have weight-loss surgery are also more likely to be low in vitamin B12 because the operation interferes with the body’s ability to extract vitamin B12 from food."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...l-201301105780



Symptoms of Vitamin B12 Deficiency

If you have vitamin B12 deficiency, you could become anemic. A mild deficiency may cause no symptoms. But if untreated, it may lead to symptoms such as:

Weakness, tiredness, or lightheadedness
Heart palpitations and shortness of breath
Pale skin
A smooth tongue
Constipation, diarrhea, loss of appetite, or gas
Nerve problems like numbness or tingling, muscle weakness, and problems walking
Vision loss
Mental problems like depression, memory loss, or behavioral changes

https://www.webmd.com/diet/vitamin-b...ptoms-causes#2
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Old 11-12-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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I wonder if the people who experience health issues with eating vegan, just do not pay enough attention to what they eat to get all the nutritions they need or if some people are just not meant to be vegan.
You would think that since true vegans, the ones that do it for ethics and don't do it for health simply don't care that much about their own health. You would have to be extra vigilant in getting the proper nutrition. Many (most) simply are not from what I can see. Sure, they may want to avoid fats but that is ignorant, our bodies need them. They are in fact essential. This is just an example. It is possible to get proper nutrition from a strict vegan diet but it so much easier to add protein/fat sources like eggs and fish and be done with it. Not vegan but at what cost is the alternative?
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Old 11-12-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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You do realize that Netflix is not a reliable primary source but an entertainment venue, don't you?
Huh? You do realize that Netflix shows documentaries based on facts and not just opinions?

So you write off the entire platform because they provide entertainment?

I guess the same would apply to all TV, every channel and network?
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