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Old 11-29-2019, 07:46 PM
 
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The more recent deaths from measles that I think the poster you refer to in the op was referring to were happening in Europe and the majority of which, in countries experiencing war and high rates of poverty like Ukraine, Albania, etc. You really can’t compare 1960 USA to current conditions in places like Ukraine.
That's very true!

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Okay, I had the measles as a kid and I'll play. When I was a kid everybody got the measles, like a rite of passage.

I came home from school feeling sweaty and horrible.

Was put to bed and the doctor was called. Dr came and said I had the measles. Instructions: keep the window shades pulled down--keep the room darkened. Do not go out until (cannot remember the instructions but I had to stay home for quite a long time.) I never got out of bed for at least a week and my food was brought to me . Since I was not supposed to use my eyes, people took turns reading to me. Neighbors sent more books for me. No medicine, no special foods. I listened to the radio and it got pretty boring after a while. My mother kept me well terrified by telling me of a kid she knew who went back to school too soon and partially lost her hearing as a result.

(Most childhood illnesses were treated with bed rest and a pile of blankets, regular meals.)
That's what my elderly father told me too. He said no one batted an eye at measles. I was surprised to hear that from him, since he didn't exactly grow up in a prosperous area.

 
Old 11-29-2019, 07:47 PM
 
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It has actually been estimated by the CDC that there were probably 3,000,000 - 4,000,000 cases of measles each year. The CDC has no estimates of actual deaths.

The CDC quotes the 400 to 500 annual deaths here, just like what it says in its 1962 vital statistics PDF which also has similar figures from 1953 to 1962.


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Nor did I EVER say there has been a 10-fold increase in deaths in almost 60 years. I said that last year in Europe, a continent with UHC in virtually every country (I don't personally know of one country there that doesn't have UCH) there were 84,000 measles cases and 72 deaths, approximately 1 in 1000 cases.
So there are more deaths than in 1950s-1960s America.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 07:53 PM
 
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According to the World Health Organization:

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Severe measles is more likely among poorly nourished young children, especially those with insufficient vitamin A
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Severe complications from measles can be reduced through supportive care that ensures good nutrition, adequate fluid intake and treatment of dehydration with WHO-recommended oral rehydration solution. This solution replaces fluids and other essential elements that are lost through diarrhoea or vomiting.

All children diagnosed with measles should receive two doses of vitamin A supplements, given 24 hours apart. Vitamin A supplements have also been shown to reduce the number of measles deaths.
I imagine adults who get it could benefit from taking extra vitamin A as well.

I wonder how much is considered one dose for children?
 
Old 11-29-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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The CDC quotes the 400 to 500 annual deaths here, just like what it says in its 1962 vital statistics PDF which also has similar figures from 1953 to 1962.


So there are more deaths than in 1950s-1960s America.
400-500 reported annual deaths and 500,000 reported annual cases, about 1 death per thousand cases. It is way beyond reality to think that the number of estimated CASES is 8X the number of reported cases, but the estimated number of DEATHS is exactly the same as the reported deaths.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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400-500 reported annual deaths and 500,000 reported annual cases, about 1 death per thousand cases. It is way beyond reality to think that the number of estimated CASES is 10X the number of reported cases, but the estimated number of DEATHS is exactly the same as the reported deaths.

That's what the CDC report says. 3 to 4 million cases per year.

This likely shows that most people just kept their kids at home and didn't bother to contact their doctor.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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That's what the CDC report says. 3 to 4 million cases per year.
NOT REPORTED CASES! That is their estimate. The reported number during that time period is about 500,000 per year. They have no estimate for the actual number of deaths. So only 1 in 8 cases were reported, but we're supposed to believe that ALL deaths were reported correctly according to some posters here.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 09:00 PM
 
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According to the World Health Organization:

I imagine adults who get it could benefit from taking extra vitamin A as well.

I wonder how much is considered one dose for children?
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The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends administration of an oral dose of 200,000 IU (or 100,000 IU in infants) of vitamin A per day for two days to children with measles in areas where vitamin A deficiency may be present.
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There was a 64% reduction in the risk of mortality in children who were given two doses of 200,000 IU of vitamin A (RR=0.36; 95% CI 0.14 to 0.82) as compared to placebo.

Two doses of water based vitamin A were associated with a 81% reduction in risk of mortality (RR=0.19; 95% CI 0.02 to 0.85) as compared to 48% seen in two doses of oil based preparation (RR=0.52; 95% CI 0.16 to 1.40).

Two doses of oil and water based vitamin A were associated with a 82% reduction in the risk of mortality in children under the age of 2 years (RR=0.18; 95% CI 0.03 to 0.61) and a 67% reduction in the risk of pneumonia specific mortality (RR=0.33; 95% CI 0.08 to 0.92).
From: Vitamin A for treating measles in children.

I guess you'd have to take two to three times as much as an adult?
 
Old 11-29-2019, 09:13 PM
 
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NOT REPORTED CASES! That is their estimate. The reported number during that time period is about 500,000 per year. They have no estimate for the actual number of deaths. So only 1 in 8 cases were reported, but we're supposed to believe that ALL deaths were reported correctly according to some posters here.

Also according to the CDC's "Vital Statistics of the United States 1962," the death rate from measles per 100,000 people varied between 0.2~0.3 between 1953 and 1962 (so likely slightly higher for children).

(According to this site, there were between 52 and 67 million children between 1953 and 1962:

"Child population: Number of children (in millions) ages 0–17 in the United States by age, 1950–2017"
https://www.childstats.gov/americasc...ables/pop1.asp )

In 1962, children ages 19 years and younger were more likely to die from:

Accidents, poisonings and violence:
24,475

Neoplasms: 6,165
Malignant neoplasms: 5,607
(cancer, tumors, etc.)

Diseases of the digestive system:
5,717

Diseases of the nervous system and sense organs:
4531

Gastroenteritis and colitis:
2892

Leukemia:
2,300

Diseases of the circular system:
1420

Meningitis:
1,400

Heart Disease:
1208

Homicide:
1,115
 
Old 11-29-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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But I was looking through an old scrapbook and my cousin's mom had written that my cousin got the measles when she was two! AND that she got a vaccination for it afterwards. This would have been 1946. I just thought that was kind of strange. Getting it at age two and--a vaccination of some sort?
I never had measles (born in 1969, so I had the vaccine), but I had chicken pox at the age of two. Why? Because I was the youngest in the family, and my 5- and 8-year-old siblings brought it home from school. It doesn't seem odd to me that a slightly older family member or friend would expose a 2-year-old.
 
Old 11-29-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
NOT REPORTED CASES! That is their estimate. The reported number during that time period is about 500,000 per year. They have no estimate for the actual number of deaths. So only 1 in 8 cases were reported, but we're supposed to believe that ALL deaths were reported correctly according to some posters here.
Reported cases are 2.5 to 3.5 million less then the estimate. You can’t possibly be confident using the reported cases number.
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