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Old 08-27-2021, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Early America
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I just want to point out that Dr. Chris Martenson is an economic researcher and forecaster. He is not a medical doctor.

This is directly from the CDC's website and I think it's very interesting information:
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html
For clarification, the data in the OP video is from the CDC. It was a cross-sectional study of 540,667 adult hospitalized patients.

The strongest risk factors for severe COVID-19 were:

1. Obesity
2. Diabetes with complication
3. Anxiety disorders
4. Total number of underlying conditions

In that order

If he misrepresented anything, please point out specifically what it was.

Here it is in print https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
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Old 08-27-2021, 09:06 AM
 
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For clarification, the data in the OP video is from the CDC. It was a cross-sectional study of 540,667 adult hospitalized patients.

The strongest risk factors for severe COVID-19 were:

1. Obesity
2. Diabetes with complication
3. Anxiety disorders
4. Total number of underlying conditions

In that order

If he misrepresented anything, please point out specifically what it was.

Here it is in print https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
I was simply clarifying that the guy is not a medical doctor. Which he is not.

I haven't delved deeply into this but I do believe he did state that anxiety disorders are ranked #2, not #3 by the way. Not sure if that's what the CDC says or not.

Just checked and that is what the CDC says.
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Old 08-27-2021, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I was simply clarifying that the guy is not a medical doctor. Which he is not.

I haven't delved deeply into this but I do believe he did state that anxiety disorders are ranked #2, not #3 by the way. Not sure if that's what the CDC says or not.

Just checked and that is what the CDC says.
I think that anxiety makes the list is because that is something people reported having before covid, I don't see how that can really contribute to the severity of the covid case.

Sure, stress can affect your health, but if I filled out a questionnaire, "Have you felt any anxiety in the last 6 months?" The answer would be yes, but I am not overall stressed out.
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Old 08-27-2021, 09:45 AM
 
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Obesity 58 percent. Being merely overweight is 28%. Since nearly half the general population is considered obese, it's not saying much. The comorbidities, such as diabetes, was only 10 percent. So we're seeing a big drop because the current wave is hitting middle aged adults who have yet to develop diabetes, heart disease, or other comorbidities.

Also, the average age of patients has dropped sharply since last year and that's due to the lower vaccination rates in those age groups.

This topic was repeated several times last year by those who said Covid was a hoax.
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Old 08-27-2021, 10:03 AM
 
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I think that anxiety makes the list is because that is something people reported having before covid, I don't see how that can really contribute to the severity of the covid case.

Sure, stress can affect your health, but if I filled out a questionnaire, "Have you felt any anxiety in the last 6 months?" The answer would be yes, but I am not overall stressed out.
I'm just reporting what the CDC reported.

For instance, I had bona fide anxiety this past year (it was even diagnosed and treated by my PCP), but I don't have it now. I think it's saying if I had COVID while I had anxiety, anxiety would have made it worse.
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Old 08-27-2021, 10:35 AM
 
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I'm just reporting what the CDC reported.

For instance, I had bona fide anxiety this past year (it was even diagnosed and treated by my PCP), but I don't have it now. I think it's saying if I had COVID while I had anxiety, anxiety would have made it worse.
I know it was from the CDC, I was commenting on their inclusion of it on their comorbidities list.
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Old 08-27-2021, 10:53 AM
 
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I was simply clarifying that the guy is not a medical doctor. Which he is not.

I haven't delved deeply into this but I do believe he did state that anxiety disorders are ranked #2, not #3 by the way. Not sure if that's what the CDC says or not.

Just checked and that is what the CDC says.
So what?
Frankly, when it comes to clinical studies I respect the opinions of trained statisticians, experimental scientists, and biological researchers more than a regular medical doctor whose training and experience is usually elsewhere.
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Old 08-27-2021, 11:05 AM
 
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I was simply clarifying that the guy is not a medical doctor. Which he is not.
Curious, why do you think that is relevant? He's just reporting what the CDC study found. You seem to be implying that he is not qualified to report the findings since he is not an MD.

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I haven't delved deeply into this but I do believe he did state that anxiety disorders are ranked #2, not #3 by the way. Not sure if that's what the CDC says or not.

Just checked and that is what the CDC says.
Oops, correct. Anxiety and fear-related disorders are slightly higher risk for severe COVID than diabetes.

1. Obesity
2. Anxiety and fear-related disorders
3. Diabetes with complication
4. Total number of underlying conditions
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Old 08-27-2021, 12:20 PM
 
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I think that anxiety makes the list is because that is something people reported having before covid, I don't see how that can really contribute to the severity of the covid case.

Sure, stress can affect your health, but if I filled out a questionnaire, "Have you felt any anxiety in the last 6 months?" The answer would be yes, but I am not overall stressed out.
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I know it was from the CDC, I was commenting on their inclusion of it on their comorbidities list.
They are referring to people with anxiety and fear-related disorders. Not people who occasionally experience anxiety.
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Old 08-27-2021, 12:25 PM
 
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They are referring to people with anxiety and fear-related disorders. Not people who occasionally experience anxiety.
Yeah, I read a couple things (skimmed) and they speculated that is maybe the meds, amongst other things. Overall, they are prone to more diseases.
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