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Old 11-25-2023, 08:40 AM
 
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Obesity is a character flaw. It indicates a fundamental lack of will power and self-control.
Hmmm . . . interesting. So many questions come to mind.
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Old 11-25-2023, 08:45 AM
 
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That isn't "all this drug does," as the article tells you. It also slows motility/stomach emptying; in other words, it has a direct effect on the digestive system, which is why so many (not all, but many) are developing digestive problems on it -- such as the woman in the article who died.
First, I believe that one of the most important systems in the body is the food system. Mess with it and pay the price. The body puts powerful energy into making sure you have enough and will fight you all the way.

But this drug hasn't been tested at all (Like a lot of them) and even though we do know of several deadly side effects the unscientific doctors simply don't care anymore. They would prefer you risk your life than be fat. Madness. As for the possible other side effects, who knows if in 10 years we will find out this drug causes cancer. In fact, 50% of all diet drugs have been linked to cancer eventually. This is usually the reason it is pulled off the market.

This drug also doesn't work because the moment you get off it you gain it all back.
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Old 11-25-2023, 10:20 AM
 
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This drug also doesn't work because the moment you get off it you gain it all back.

Only if you consume more calories than you burn. But I'd imagine most people who take it for weight loss struggle with that principle or they wouldn't be on it in the first place
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Old 12-26-2023, 11:10 AM
 
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I am down 66.4 lbs using Tirzepatide (Mounjaro) and it has changed my life.
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Old 12-26-2023, 12:24 PM
 
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A relative is starting Ozempic. She has struggled with weight for decades. She had bariatric surgery many years ago and gained back everything she lost. It was all I could do to keep my mouth shut when I learned a few years ago that she had taken up baking (cakes, breads, etc) as a hobby. I wanted to scream NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Sadly, I expect a poor outcome of the Ozempic experiment. I think food is her best friend.

Moving along toward trouble as expected. Her doc told her to increase dose after a month but after a month she had already list almost 15 pounds, way more than most do and a bit higher than is healthy from what I understand about weight loss. It seems to me the low dose was working extremely well. But she was so excited about the potential to lose more she increased the dose anyway. This is not going to end well.
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Old 12-26-2023, 05:04 PM
 
Location: The Bubble, Florida
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Obesity is a character flaw. It indicates a fundamental lack of will power and self-control.
Being tactless and insensitive is also a character flaw, indicating a fundamental lack of willpower and self-control.

But an obese person can lose weight. So, there's that.
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Old 12-26-2023, 05:13 PM
 
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First, I believe that one of the most important systems in the body is the food system. Mess with it and pay the price. The body puts powerful energy into making sure you have enough and will fight you all the way.

But this drug hasn't been tested at all (Like a lot of them) and even though we do know of several deadly side effects the unscientific doctors simply don't care anymore. They would prefer you risk your life than be fat. Madness. As for the possible other side effects, who knows if in 10 years we will find out this drug causes cancer. In fact, 50% of all diet drugs have been linked to cancer eventually. This is usually the reason it is pulled off the market.

This drug also doesn't work because the moment you get off it you gain it all back.
This drug has been extensively tested. Sematlutide was first studied in a phase II clinical trial in 2008. Then in 2012, researchers at Novo Nordisk developed the injectable and named it Ozempic. Clinical trials didn't start until 4 years later in 2016, and ended in 2017.

Then, in 2021, another clinical trial - this time phase III randomized double-blind, was performed in a worldwide trial, and then a review in 2022 showed that semadlutide was more effective than previous anti-obesity drugs, but less effective than bariatric surgery.

So yes - it not only has been tested, it's been extensively tested for the past fifteen years.

You only gain weight back after losing it, if you return to your previous unhealthy eating habits. If a drug has your appetite and motility suppressed such that you can only eat 1200 calories a day - and then you get off the drug and continue to only eat 1200 calories a day - you won't gain back the 100 pounds you lost. It just won't happen.
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Old 12-26-2023, 08:02 PM
 
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I can't edit my post above - obviously my fingers have trouble putting the word Semaglutide in the text buffer, and it's showing I've misspelled it even when I type it correctly.
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Old 12-27-2023, 08:20 AM
 
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I can't edit my post above - obviously my fingers have trouble putting the word Semaglutide in the text buffer, and it's showing I've misspelled it even when I type it correctly.
I just say Ozempic even when I mean Wegovy or whatever else it's now called, including the generic version. Everyone understands what that is.
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Old 12-27-2023, 08:23 AM
 
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You only gain weight back after losing it, if you return to your previous unhealthy eating habits. If a drug has your appetite and motility suppressed such that you can only eat 1200 calories a day - and then you get off the drug and continue to only eat 1200 calories a day - you won't gain back the 100 pounds you lost. It just won't happen.
But WITHOUT the appetite suppressing and motility slowing effects of the drug, which is the only thing enabling them to eat less (often for the first time in years or decades), the majority of people most likely will once again eat more without the drug. It doesn't "teach you new habits" or "instill willpower"; it simply makes you less hungry -- a temporary effect, it turns out.
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