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Old 02-21-2024, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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the flu "shot" never purported to be a vaccine, unlike the covid potion.
wth?

 
Old 02-21-2024, 08:23 PM
 
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wth?
What are you having trouble understanding?

It was never said to "vaccinate" anyone. It's simply a shot that MAY HELP you avoid it or lessen the severity if you get it. MAY. HELP. That's why it's referred to as a "shot" and not a "vaccine."

Compare to the measles, mumps, smallpox, tetanus, rabies, etc. VACCINE which guarantees you won't get it.
 
Old 02-21-2024, 08:28 PM
 
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I never heard anyone say that getting the "shot" or "vaccine" for covid would make you immune to it. Never heard or read that over the last 2 yrs. What I have heard and read many times over was that the "shot/vaccine" would just make the case of covid IF you did get it would make it less serious a case of it. That is how I see any shot/vaccine flu, covid otherwise. It's not about immunity. I'm surprised people even think that.
 
Old 02-21-2024, 08:48 PM
 
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I never heard anyone say that getting the "shot" or "vaccine" for covid would make you immune to it. I'm surprised people even think that.
LOL!! Oh, please! The revisionist history on this subject is laughable.

But we keep hijacking the thread. It's about SYMPTOMS.

Sorry, OP.
 
Old 02-21-2024, 09:11 PM
 
Location: The Bubble, Florida
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The flu and COVID vaccines both work to reduce risk. COVID vaccine reduces the risk of serious symptoms if you end up contracting the virus. Influenza vaccine reduces the risk of contracting the flu, AND reducing the risk of serious symptoms if you end up getting the flu anyway.

Flu, COVID, and RSV all have symptoms that overlap. And of course they all have symptoms that overlap with "a cold" - which is a catch-all term describing a few different infections, including a coronavirus, but not COVID-19. COVID-19 is not the only coronavirus in existence, and "the common cold" was the most common up until COVID-19 showed up.

Stuffy nose, runny nose, dry cough, wheezing, shortness of breath, general malaise, headache, fever, muscle aches, body aches, are all symptoms of COVID and symptoms of the influenza (flu) virus. RSV is mostly upper respiratory but coughing can make a person nauseated and give them a headache, plus coughing and shortness of breath can cause fatigue.

So you can see there are a lot of symptoms that all these different illnesses share, and this is the season for them all.
 
Old 02-21-2024, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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What are you having trouble understanding?

It was never said to "vaccinate" anyone. It's simply a shot that MAY HELP you avoid it or lessen the severity if you get it. MAY. HELP. That's why it's referred to as a "shot" and not a "vaccine."

Compare to the measles, mumps, smallpox, tetanus, rabies, etc. VACCINE which guarantees you won't get it.
I have never in my life heard anyone suggest that the Flu Shot is not a vaccine. Ditto "Shingles shot" "Pneumonia shot" and "Tetanus shot". These are vaccines that need to be repeated. That's all.

I'm going to share this with those of my siblings who do not have a medical background and see if they, too, have this misunderstanding. It could be a regional thing.

Regardless, the CoVid "shots" are vaccines.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 07:13 AM
 
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It appears that otterhere and others are confusing the terms that get confused.

There is no confusion, among the actual medical field, with the terms "shot" and "vaccine." A "shot" is a vaccine that's introduced to your body via a needle/syringe. There are also oral vaccines, but those are not called "shots."

There is a third term that I think people are just - not quite understanding, or have forgotten about its existence - the word "immunization." Immunizations can also be shots. The shot called Shingrix is an immunization vaccine. The Flu shot does not offer immunization, but it's still a vaccine. There are the MMR shot, the COVID-19, the Polio shot, Tetanus shot, etc. etc. They're ALL vaccines, but only some of them are immunizations.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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^^^ Great point! I tried to rep you, but was directed to spread the love.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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It appears that otterhere and others are confusing the terms that get confused.

There is no confusion, among the actual medical field, with the terms "shot" and "vaccine." A "shot" is a vaccine that's introduced to your body via a needle/syringe. There are also oral vaccines, but those are not called "shots."

There is a third term that I think people are just - not quite understanding, or have forgotten about its existence - the word "immunization." Immunizations can also be shots. The shot called Shingrix is an immunization vaccine. The Flu shot does not offer immunization, but it's still a vaccine. There are the MMR shot, the COVID-19, the Polio shot, Tetanus shot, etc. etc. They're ALL vaccines, but only some of them are immunizations.
I'm not confused. I just am not going to call a SHOT a VACCINE necessarily, unless it offers immunity from a disease. That used to be the definition, but it's no longer the definition of a vaccine. The definition was changed from the one that was in place since 2013 in 2021 to: "used to stimulate the body’s immune response against noninfectious substances, agents, or diseases." Suddenly, now, people are dying of coronavirus, who have been vaccinated repeatedly against it. Nope, not taking any more shots for it - I don't think it works well enough to justify the hassle. Besides that, plenty of people who have never had a shot have had very mild cases of COVID, not requiring hospitalization at all.

By the way, I have never had an adverse effect from a vaccination, and wasn't expecting one from the COVID shot or vaccination or whatever you want to call it. And I didn't have an adverse reaction to the first two. But wow, I sure did from the last one, so again - no thanks. I mean, I think the symptoms have subsided, finally, after a year but to be honest I'm a little afraid to go find out.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 08:48 AM
 
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Of course, a "shot" is injected with a needle... I think we can all figure that out? But a "shot" that is NOT a vaccine and does not immunize is MERELY a "shot," whereas the others are true vaccines and immunizations.
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