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Old 02-17-2007, 09:34 PM
 
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Default Fibromyalgia (and other problems) and MSG

MSG triggers the (recently identified) taste buds which are sensitive to umami, one of the five basic tastes .(It is believed that "umami" taste buds respond specifically to certain amino acids (such as glutamic acid) in the same way that "sweet" taste buds respond to sugars.

MSG (Monosodium Glutamate) Causes Pain

Every person is different so they will have different reactions. Here is a list of some of the common symptoms one may see:

Abdominal pain, achiness, angina, back pain, chest pain, cramps, foot pain, fibromyalgia, hand pain, headache, jaw pain, joint pain, pain in the bones, migraine, neck pain, numbness, stiffness, tightness, extreme drop in blood pressure, rapid heartbeat (tachycardia); angina; Cardiac Arrest Symptoms, swelling, fluid retention, depression, mood swings, attention deficit disorder (ADD); dizziness; light-headedness; disorientation; mental confusion, anxiety, panic attacks, hyperactivity, behavioral problems in children, rage episodes, lethargy, sleep disturbances (drowsiness or sleepiness and insomnia in others) numbness or paralysis; slurred speech, Meniere's disease, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach cramps, irritable bowel, bloating acid reflux, asthma, shortness of breath, chest pain, runny nose, tightness in respiratory area, sneezing, hives or rash, mouth lesions, temporary tightness or partial paralysis (Skin), numbness or tingling of skin, flushing, sweating (hot flashes), dry mouth, swelling of prostrate, nocturia, blurred vision, difficulty focusing, temporary loss of vision, burning sensation in the back of the neck, forearms and chest, numbness in the back of the neck, radiating to the arms and back, tingling, warmth and weakness in the face, temples, upper back neck and arms, facial pressure or tightness, tooth pain, bronchospasm (difficulty breathing), difficulty in concentrating, convulsions, swelling of the throat, bruxism (grinding or clenching of the teeth) throbbing of the head, tinnitus.

It causes gross obesity and learning disorders in laboratory animals that ingest it when young.

By FDA definition, all MSG is "naturally occurring". "Natural" doesn't mean safe!


Ingestion of MSG is know to produce a variety of adverse reactions in certain people. These reactions, along with seemingly dissimilar, are no more diverse than the reactions found as side effects of certain neurological drugs. We do not know why some people experience reactions and others do not. We don't know whether MSG "causes" the condition underlying the reaction, or whether the underlying condition is simply aggravated by the ingestion of MSG. We only know that these are sometimes caused or exacerbted by the ingestion of MSG.

A product containing a substantial amount of processed free glutamic acid (MSG) has been approved for use as a "growth enhancer" spray for use on agricultural products. Approximately 30 per cent of the product is MSG. The action is summarized in the press release that follows.

Read about what it is, what it does, and where it's hidden in food on : [url]http://www.truthinlabeling.org[/url].

But now that spraying MSG ON agricultural products as they grow has been approved, ANY fresh food may have some residual MSG on it, and processed food made from fresh fruit or vegetables may have MSG in it, too. Baby food, largely free of MSG since the late 1970's, will now have MSG in it. Processed food will now have more MSG in it than it did before. And there may be MSG residue on every tomato, cucumber, strawberry, leaf of lettuce, or peanut that you eat, as well as on every other fresh fruit, grain or vegetable.


The level of vitamin B6 in a person's body plays a role in glutamate metabolism, and the possible impact of marginal B6 intake shoud be considered in helping a person. (Interesting -Just read in the phamacists column in our paper that B5 is good for teeth grinding and teeth grinding is one of the things it says MSG causes.)
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:41 PM
 
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Default Doritoes contain MSG. And I love those things!

Hidden Sources of MSG

Few people realize how prevalent MSG is. Fewer still realize that
there are many different names for processed free glutamic acid.
MSG is often combined with other substances and renamed, or
created by the manufacturing process.

These ingredients ALWAYS contain MSG:

-- Monosodium glutamate
-- Calcium caseinate
-- Textured protein
-- Monopotassium glutamate
-- Glutamate
-- Glutamic acid
-- Gelatin
-- Sodium caseinate
-- Yeast nutrient
-- Autolyzed yeast
-- Hydrolyzed corn gluten
-- Hydrolyzed soy protein
-- Hydrolyzed wheat protein
-- Hydrolyzed protein such as vegetable protein (the word
"hydrolyzed" on the label is a good tip-off)

If a product label says it contains some form of "hydrolyzed" protein,
it contains MSG.

These ingredients OFTEN contain MSG (or MSG is created during
processing):

-- Maltodextrin
-- Malt extract
-- Carrageenan
-- Soy protein isolate
-- Natural pork flavoring
-- Citric acid
-- Malt flavoring
-- Barley malt
-- Soy sauce stock or soy sauce extract
-- Soy protein or soy protein concentrate
-- Bouillon and broth
-- Natural chicken flavoring
-- Natural beef flavoring
-- Ultra-pasteurized
-- Whey protein concentrate
-- Pectin
-- Protease
-- Whey protein
-- Whey protein isolate
-- Protein fortified

Note: Even if a product label says "MSG free," it may still contain
processed free glutamic acid concealed under one of its other
names. Read the label to be sure.

By FDA definition, all MSG is "naturally occurring". "Natural" doesn't mean safe!
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:07 PM
 
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I have fibromyaliga, so what you are saying is this is how I picked it up???? It is the worst thing a person can go through. From what you listed as systems, I noticed I have a lot of the areas that are listed, problem is there is no cure.
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Old 02-18-2007, 09:15 AM
 
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I don't think they know yet what causes it or why so many people are being affected. (I love chicken bouillon powder in and on so many things--homemade chicken and noodles, fried chicken, soups, casseroles etc.)

I started looking at the labels of everything and right there in so much of what we eat is MSG (hidden under many of the names mentioned previously).

I wonder if it is because we have "progressed" and gotten away from eating fruits and veggies and started eating more prepackaged foods where MSG-- by whatever name they try to hide it-- is added (to enhance the flavor).

One report I read said it enhances the flavor making us want more so they end up selling more. What was the commercial that used to say, "Bet you can't eat just one!" (Wasn't that some kind of chip?)
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Old 02-18-2007, 09:40 AM
 
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It is wise to start reading the labels yourself looking for the hidden names patlnch gave.

Here are just a very small amount of the foods we eat that now contain MSG. I had been overloading my family and my own body with this junk and we all felt bad all the time. (I knew not to eat Chinese food that contained MSG but never dreamed it was being put in so many things I bought.)


-- canned Soup, including Campbell's Chunky Soup, Progresso® Soups - all of them
-- McDonalds
-- potato chips and Doritos® and Pringles®
-- KFC® - most of their other products
-- Boar's Head® cold cuts and most of their hotdogs
-- Lipton® Noodles and Sauce
-- Taco seasoning
-- Planters® salted nuts - most of them
-- Accent® -
-- sausages - most supermarkets add MSG to theirs
-- processed cheese spread (I looked and yes, my Tostitos Queso jar shows it!)
-- turkeys that are injected or "self-basting" (some other poultry)
-- ramen noodles
-- instant soup mixes (including Lipton® Instant soup mix and Knorr® products )
-- boullion - any kind
-- many salad dressings
-- Packaged box dinners (like the macaroni and cheese kids eat) Hamburger Helper Microwave Singles® (targeted towards children) NOTE: Kraft® products nearly all contain some free glutamate
-- gelatin (JELL-O)
-- canned tuna
-- hot dogs and other processed meats
-- soy sauce
-- Worcestershire sauce
-- Gold Medal flour (and many other brands of flour )
-- Parmesan cheese
-- over-ripe tomatoes - naturally high in free glutamate
-- mushrooms - naturally high in free glutamate
--Medications in gelcaps - contain free glutamic acid in the gelatin
-- Frozen dinners
-- Broth
-- Infant formula
-- Packaged stuffing
-- Cosmetics and shampoos - some now contain glutamic acid
-- Canned vegetables
-- Fresh produce sprayed with Auxigro in the field. (Yes the EPA approved this!)




Be aware it is not just the brand names mentioned, but many similar products to the ones listed also contain MSG. You must read labels. These product names were given as examples of the many products that contain MSG.

Good rules of thumb are:

The more salty a processed food is, the more likely it is to contain MSG or free glutamate.
The more processed a food is, the more likely it is to contain MSG or free glutamate: powdered stuff that used to be food is likely to have added MSG because the original flavor has been degraded.
The more ingredients in a packaged food, the more likely MSG is present. Read labels carefully if a food has more than five ingredients.

You just don't know what you are being fed when you eat out. Many places use Accent and other enhancers on restaurant food.

To read more go to: [url]http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.htm[/url]

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Old 02-19-2007, 10:19 PM
 
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I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, but I don't believe in it. I think Fibro is just a name your Dr gives you when he has no idea what is wrong. It's a garbage can diagnosis . The best way to deal with these aches and pains is to not let it get in the way of your daily life. Fibro is not even recognized by most Dr.s and because it is usually woman that get the aches and pains, many Dr.s believe it's all in your head. You just have to keep going and don't give in to pains or discomfort.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:34 PM
 
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Newf, It's real hard for a person to keep goin if there in a lot of real pain, fibro can be disabling.

don't get me wrong i'm not discounting your post by no means, but try telling someone in severe pain (not just aches,pains or discomfort), to just keep going, it can wear a person down in no time flat to were there ready to kill themselves if there in severe pain.

ms, fibro, & more, a person can look fine but there in a world of hurt that no one can see nor imagine but themselves, no sleep, nerve pain, slighest touches set there nerves off, myofascular pain, ice pick headaches, these are real & will make a believer out of you, people have to deal with them day in & day out while trying to carry out basic daily living functions of which some find very hard to do.

your average gp/im doc, about half of those are only good for the average run of the mill disease, cold, broken bone, usually a rheumatologist will deal with fibro issues.

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Old 02-25-2007, 02:28 AM
 
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Newf, It's real hard for a person to keep goin if there in a lot of real pain, fibro can be disabling.

don't get me wrong i'm not discounting your post by no means, but try telling someone in severe pain (not just aches,pains or discomfort), to just keep going, it can wear a person down in no time flat to were there ready to kill themselves if there in severe pain.

ms, fibro, & more, a person can look fine but there in a world of hurt that no one can see nor imagine but themselves, no sleep, nerve pain, slighest touches set there nerves off, myofascular pain, ice pick headaches, these are real & will make a believer out of you, people have to deal with them day in & day out while trying to carry out basic daily living functions of which some find very hard to do.

your average gp/im doc, about half of those are only good for the average run of the mill disease, cold, broken bone, usually a rheumatologist will deal with fibro issues.
I suffer from the pain and extreme fatigue, today I could barely keep my eyes open and did sleep more then usual. My skin hurts, my joints ache,etc and I just wonder why Fibro is not accepted by the medical community as a whole . My rheumatologist says I have to learn to accept this because it's not going to go away. Guess, I'll have to work on that !
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:26 AM
 
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Newf, It's real hard for a person to keep goin if there in a lot of real pain, fibro can be disabling.

don't get me wrong i'm not discounting your post by no means, but try telling someone in severe pain (not just aches,pains or discomfort), to just keep going, it can wear a person down in no time flat to were there ready to kill themselves if there in severe pain.

ms, fibro, & more, a person can look fine but there in a world of hurt that no one can see nor imagine but themselves, no sleep, nerve pain, slighest touches set there nerves off, myofascular pain, ice pick headaches, these are real & will make a believer out of you, people have to deal with them day in & day out while trying to carry out basic daily living functions of which some find very hard to do.

your average gp/im doc, about half of those are only good for the average run of the mill disease, cold, broken bone, usually a rheumatologist will deal with fibro issues.
Amen to your post, I deal with this all the time, and living in a state like Minnesota makes it worse. People tend to look at me funny because I have a handicapped place card for my mirror, and when I get out of my car I get dirty looks. My doctor here is great, he knows that there is no cure for it as of yet, but at the same time he knows the pain is real, he barely touches me and the pain about sends me through the roof. I am so glad for the great doctors in this state. My rheumatolgist doctor is from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota, and they are one of the best hospitals and clinics in the US. My family doctor was the one who caught what was going on first and then sent me to see the specialist. With this snow storm brewing outside, the pain I have now is a ten, ooooowwwwwwweeeeeee.
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:55 PM
 
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Newf, It's real hard for a person to keep goin if there in a lot of real pain, fibro can be disabling.

don't get me wrong i'm not discounting your post by no means, but try telling someone in severe pain (not just aches,pains or discomfort), to just keep going, it can wear a person down in no time flat to were there ready to kill themselves if there in severe pain.

ms, fibro, & more, a person can look fine but there in a world of hurt that no one can see nor imagine but themselves, no sleep, nerve pain, slighest touches set there nerves off, myofascular pain, ice pick headaches, these are real & will make a believer out of you, people have to deal with them day in & day out while trying to carry out basic daily living functions of which some find very hard to do.

your average gp/im doc, about half of those are only good for the average run of the mill disease, cold, broken bone, usually a rheumatologist will deal with fibro issues.
I have to agree. I have been diagnosed for about 7 years now and the pain is dibilitating. It hampers every ounce of your life and works on your cognitive skills as well.

Newf - sounds as though you have not progressed yet - hopefully you will not. I take mega pain meds daily, should have been put on disibility years ago but have fought it tooth and nail - and have eliminated as many processed, chemical filled foods as possible. I take my vitamins daily - twice a day - and drinl no cola's - green tea and water - I do cheat and drink coffee in the morning. Increasing or adding B-complex to your diet is a huge help, too, as is the addition of a GOOD, Natural multi-vitamin along with calcium.

When you get to the point your feet feel like nails are imbedded in them, run fevers for no reason, and have the aches and pains like the 'flu' so bad all you can do is crawl into a fetal position - it's time to do more than just deal with it.

There is a wonderful book you can look up on line - the Fibromyalgia and chronic Myofascial Pain Survival Guide - http://www.sover.net/~devstar/ - This is a doctor who actually HAS the disease, and is working to educate others. Luckily, many doctors are coming around - but the problem - there are no tests to detect it. It has to be diagnosed on a 'rule out basis'. Once they test you for everything from Lupus to RA to Lyme disease - all is negative - then they diagnose Fibro.

Personally - I believe it is directly related #1 to stress - as many men and women with with Post-Traumatic Stress synd. have FMS - and #2 - the chemical content of our food. (These 2 things have been proven, actually in double blind studies.)

I have done extensive research - and would be happy to share if you are interested. But please know this - you do NOT have to just get used to it and deal with it. It cannot be cured - but it can be managed.

Take care,
KimmieyKY

P.S. - and you need to get a second, maybe a third opinion. Do not allow the doctor whose bills you are paying to blow you off. It took me three interists, a Rheum., and finally a pain specialist. Going back to my doctor I had had since I was 12 was the answer. Don't give up.
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