U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Health and Wellness
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-28-2019, 09:52 AM
 
1 posts, read 160 times
Reputation: 15

Advertisements

What Gout is All About!

There is both helpful and misleading information about gout attacks in the media and support blogs, which confuses gout sufferers, making it difficult to resolve their gout. I received my Doctor of Bioengineering degree from Carnegie-Mellon University in 1970 and have been doing extensive research in the health care field ever since. Over the past 9 years I have done extensive research on my gout. I stopped my severe gout attacks, which now allows me to walk smoothly without pain or dysfunction. Here is what I have found:
1. If you get gout attacks year after year you have “gout”—that’s what it’s called so get use to it.
2. A person with gout will get gout attacks—sometimes yearly, sometimes monthly.
3. Gout probably develops over many years with increasing pain from pain level 1 to 10.
4. The accumulation of uric acid crystals and “tophus” in your joints cause your gout pain—tophus is a hard chalky white deposit of sodium urate in your joints causing “foreign body inflammation”. Gout tophi (plural) can be removed from the joints by taking teaspoon of baking soda daily for many months, although other remedies may also help.
5. If you do not remove your joint tophi and UA crystals you will suffer severe gout attacks more than necessary.
6. “Trigger points” in your leg and foot muscles trigger your gout attacks. Trigger points shorten the muscle and pull the joint attached to that muscle’s tendon out of position—this allows more tophi to accumulate in the joint causing severe pain and swelling.
7. Trigger points can be resolved by massaging them, thereby allowing the joint to go back into its healthy position—the timing of these massages is critical to resolving your gout attack.
8. Gout attacks occur in three stages—if you don’t resolve it in stage-1, it will progress to stage-2 and if not resolved in stage-2 it will go to stage-3 with severe pain and swelling.

To get started you need to know what NOT to waste your time on to cure your gout—diet and medication. Once aware of your gout you look for ways to get rid of it and most of what you read is that uric acid (UA) crystals cause by purines in foods exacerbates your gout attacks. You also hear that lowering your blood UA level with diet or medication will lessen or eliminate your gout attacks—false. Normal blood UA levels are 2.4 - 6.0 for females and 3.4 - 7.0 for males—gouty people have similar blood UA levels. The fact is, 70% of your blood UA is due to your overnight anabolism (rebuilding your cells)—only 30% of blood UA accumulates from the foods you eat. To test this I did an intensive 450-day study measuring UA blood levels (3.5 to 11.0) and gout pain levels (1 to 10) for daily purine intakes of 25 to 1,000. I measured my uric acid (UA) level each morning (after fasting) three times and averaged the three readings for accuracy. Like myself, most people eat about 400 to 800 purines a day, so to eliminate the effect of purines on blood UA I did a study eating only 25 purines/day (3 corn muffins and two liters of water) for 10 days, and tested my blood UA levels every 6 hours at 6:00 am, 12:00 noon, 6:00 pm, and 12:00 midnight. The 10-day average ended up with 6-hour blood UA levels of: 6.25, 5.50, 5.00 and 4.65 (averaging 5.35 per day). I also did a 7-day study of UA readings with a typical daily intake of 525 purines/day with 6-hour blood UA levels of: 7.70, 7.00, 6.95 and 6.70 (averaging 7.10 per day). Thus at a typical 525 purines a day there is a 1.75 (7.10 – 5.35), 30% increase in blood UA level over daily metabolism. But, maybe a 1.75 increase in blood UA due to diet is significant enough to cause gout—I doubt it.

Drugs: You will hear a lot about reducing blood UA using drugs like Allopurinol. To see if Allopurinol had any effect on blood UA I did a 13-month study monitored by my MD using a medical lab to draw and test my fasting blood during each stage of the study. After one month of Allopurinol (at 100 mg/day) my blood UA went from 8.2 to 6.8 and after two more months (at 200 mg/day) it went from 6.8 to 5.9—sounds great. Unfortunately, after another two months (at 200 mg/day) it went up to 7.7 so I increased the dosage to 300 mg/day for three more months and it went up to 8.7. I then stopped using it and after five more months it settled at 8.6. Yes, it does work at first, but in the long run is not worth the 0.5-point (8.2 to 7.7) drop in blood UA, especially with its annoying side effects. Oh by the way, two years after this study my blood UA level tested at 6.2 and I was still suffering from gout attacks.

Trigger Points: It seemed that blood UA didn’t trigger my gout attacks, so I looked elsewhere. I had been massaging my trigger points to remove lower back pain and decided to use it to reduce my gout pain—best thing ever. I used the “Trigger Point Therapy Workbook…third edition” to find the trigger points in my legs and feet triggering the gout pain. There were many trigger points, but once I found them all and massaged them, my gout subsided from severe pain (10) many times a year to little to no pain (0-2). But, when the pain was evident I had to immediately massage the trigger points causing that pain or else the pain would progress to 3 or 4 and eventually 8-10 with severe swelling.

Stages of a Gout Attack: Immediacy is important! There are three stages of a gout attack. Stage-1 is slight trigger point pain (1-3) in a joint that needs to be resolved immediately! If not resolved for a couple of days you will slip into stage-2 with 4-6 pain and noticeable swelling. At this point you must vigorously resolve the trigger points and take Ibuprofen for the swelling. If not resolved for 2-3 more days you are in for a full blown gout attack with 8-10 pain levels and severe swelling that may last for weeks, sometimes months. I have had many stage-1 and a few stage-2 gout attacks in the past couple of years, but it has never progressed to a stage-3. But there was still some dysfunction in my feet, making me trip and walk stiltedly. I heard from a fellow gouty that if I took teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) every day that it would remove the tophi that had collected in my joints over the years. I took it for six months and my swollen tophi joints disappeared and my walking became smooth and effortless.

Another problem with muscle fatigue and trigger points is that it has a domino effect. Once you get past stage-1, inflammation sets in and affects your gate (walking) since the affected joint is now painful and your body will compensate for it. This weakens other foot and leg muscles and creates trigger points in them. You then have to chase down and eliminate those trigger points too. This is why it is imperative to stop your gout attack at stage-1.

Removing Trigger Points:
In order to get a painful joint back to its normal no-pain state the trigger point needs to be erased. This is accomplished by applying pressure on the trigger point. This pressure crushes the trigger point allowing the muscle to return back to its natural length, but it can be as painful as the gout itself. Fortunately, if you can get make it through that pain for about 20-30 seconds of trigger point pain, the gout pain will disappear. It may though at first, take numerous 20-30 seconds sessions each day over many days. Thankfully, once you start massaging the trigger point, each session becomes less and less painful until the trigger point has been erased. If you continue to maintain your unhealthy daily routine (which is likely) the muscle will fatigue and the trigger point will come back, but erasing it will be much less painful and the relief will occur in minutes, if not seconds. For most, gout is a never-ending condition, but with periodic trigger point maintenance it can be kept at bay. It does though require that you be aware when a trigger point is re-developing, by being aware of the pain/numbness developing in the joint that muscle is attached to. If you wait too long, the more painful it will be to erase it.

Trigger points under the foot were extremely painful making walking impossible. To resolve this, I roll a golf ball under my foot to crush the trigger points—it hurt as much as the gout, but after a few minutes it removes the trigger points and the pain. After my trigger points were under control I unfortunately continued with daily habits (sitting, standing, lifting, etc.) that caused muscles to fatigue and trigger points to appear—it’s a fact of life, especially as you get older and muscles get weaker. As the trigger points appear I massage them immediately and relieve the pain in minutes if not seconds—it’s wonderful!

Bottom Line: If you have gout you have already accumulated UA crystals and tophi deposits in your joints over the decades. Use baking soda for at least six months to remove them from your joints to allow them to work smoothly again. When a gout attack is starting, massage your muscle trigger points that pull your joints out of position, thus keeping additional UA crystals and tophi from being collected in those joints. The sooner you remove the trigger points the sooner your bones will go back in place and keep UA crystals and tophi from collecting in that joint, stopping the gout attack in stage-1 or stage-2, avoiding a painful, debilitating stage-3 attack.

I hope that this helps you to manage your gout attacks—good luck!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-28-2019, 10:02 AM
 
Location: planet earth
5,046 posts, read 1,920,193 times
Reputation: 11128
If you get gout often or are on medication for it, you are likely not doing enough research, as gout is caused by diet/lifestyle, and can be easily remedied by diet/lifestyle. The meds are toxic and can cause other problems.

Look up "low purine diets," drink LOTS of filtered water, and stop drinking beer/eating red meat, etc. It's not that difficult to control.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2019, 12:26 PM
 
1,392 posts, read 672,430 times
Reputation: 4392
Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodysbusiness View Post
If you get gout often or are on medication for it, you are likely not doing enough research, as gout is caused by diet/lifestyle, and can be easily remedied by diet/lifestyle. The meds are toxic and can cause other problems.

Look up "low purine diets," drink LOTS of filtered water, and stop drinking beer/eating red meat, etc. It's not that difficult to control.
Believe me,for some it is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Southern California
24,153 posts, read 8,437,098 times
Reputation: 15720
If I had gout issues I would surely work on keeping my body more alkaline.

https://diyremedies.org/baking-soda-to-treat-gout/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2019, 03:50 PM
 
5,000 posts, read 11,095,947 times
Reputation: 11896
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
If I had gout issues I would surely work on keeping my body more alkaline.

https://diyremedies.org/baking-soda-to-treat-gout/
One could try that....but it isn't physiologically, chemically or biologically possible.....

"First, a little chemistry: A pH level measures how acid or alkaline something is. A pH of 0 is totally acidic, while a pH of 14 is completely alkaline. A pH of 7 is neutral. Those levels vary throughout your body. Your blood is slightly alkaline, with a pH between 7.35 and 7.45. Your stomach is very acidic, with a pH of 3.5 or below, so it can break down food. And your urine changes, depending on what you eat -- that's how your body keeps the level in your blood steady.

The alkaline diet claims to help your body maintain its blood pH level. In fact, nothing you eat is going to substantially change the pH of your blood. Your body works to keep that level constant."
https://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/alkaline-diets

It isn't POSSIBLE to "make one's body more alkaline"

Once again....Science doesn't care whether you believe in it or not....it just is....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-29-2019, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Southern California
24,153 posts, read 8,437,098 times
Reputation: 15720
People do your own research on this, even the info in post 41 above mentions baking soda which was allegedly posted by a Dr.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-30-2019, 05:01 AM
 
5,000 posts, read 11,095,947 times
Reputation: 11896
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
People do your own research on this, even the info in post 41 above mentions baking soda which was allegedly posted by a Dr.
No amount of research will change the basic biologic fact that it is NOT possible to make one's body "more alkaline"....

Can't be done....

Oh and the post above allegedly written by a "Dr".....if it is who the poster says it is....he is a PhD in Engineering who consults on Orthodontic Practice Management..

In other words he knows NOTHING about the treatment of gout which is evident by all the nonsense in that post
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-30-2019, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
72,237 posts, read 83,964,031 times
Reputation: 41999
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickers View Post
Any one who has been suffering with severe persistent gout who is also on medication for high blood pressure medication take heed. If your med is Lisinopril, stop taking it immediately, that is the cause of the gout.
Lisinopril is evil evil evil ! It causes so many more bad side effects than the warnings list. I'll control my high Blood pressure with a better diet and exercise from now on.
This is a decision only a doctor and patient should make together. I would not stop taking any meds that were prescribed without my doctors approval. What makes you so sure and where did your information come from ?

BTW, I just noticed how old this post is. It was started in 2010. Bet the OP isn't still posting even or maybe he isn't. I just checked: he hasn't posted since 2011.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-30-2019, 08:53 AM
 
5,453 posts, read 6,706,527 times
Reputation: 8774
Quote:
Originally Posted by texdav View Post
The diet is most liikely what caused the Gout in the first place.
And the high blood pressure.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-30-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Southern California
24,153 posts, read 8,437,098 times
Reputation: 15720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedevilz View Post
No amount of research will change the basic biologic fact that it is NOT possible to make one's body "more alkaline"....

Can't be done....

Oh and the post above allegedly written by a "Dr".....if it is who the poster says it is....he is a PhD in Engineering who consults on Orthodontic Practice Management..

In other words he knows NOTHING about the treatment of gout which is evident by all the nonsense in that post
And your credentials since you know so much.....!!!! Please....credentials.

Dr Dean says he's been doing extensive research in gout for some yrs. Sounds pretty solid to me.

Last edited by jaminhealth; 07-30-2019 at 11:22 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Health and Wellness
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top