the list goes on...asthma

[cjma79]

BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis smoke 'has more toxins'

Reliable because: A lot of the report are quotes from the research it self or the actual scientist, less input from the actual reporter. Also it have the name and research paper from where you can get the information.

Research: Moir, D. Chemical Research in Toxicology, Dec. 7, 2007; advance online edition. News release, American Chemical Society.

Cannabis bigger cancer risk than cigarettes: study | Health | Reuters

It has quotes but no actual name of the research is not reliable.

SpringerLink - Journal Article

This is the actual journal the actual research, more reliable then this is impossible.

BBSNews - Marijuana Helps Elderly Suffering from Anorexia Gain Weight

Source Source: Wilson MM, Philpot C, Morley JE. Anorexia of aging in long term care: is dronabinol an effective appetite stimulant? - a pilot study. J Nutr Health Aging 2007;11(2):195-8.)
And link provided, reliable.

Alcohol & Drug Abuse - Philadelphia Trucking Accident Lawyers, Commercial

Link to the report to verify the facts, reliable.

Drivers License, CDL

same link as above.

Cannabis is linked to rising child crime and harder drugs - Times Online

No link nor name of the report, not reliable.

Ohio Domestic Violence Call Leads to Marijuana Possession Charges |

This is news, not research.

www.myohiodefenselawyer.com

same link as above.

Killingly police: Domestic call leads to marijuana bust - Norwich, CT -

this is news not research.

Norwich Bulletin

This is news and not research,
But I see that you didnt read them not even for what I posted for.

[Beth56]

Neither one of you is going to win this battle. You might want to give this thread a rest. There are two sides to this controversy and it will probably remain so for quite some time.

[cjma79]

Originally Posted by Beth56

Neither one of you is going to win this battle. You might want to give this thread a rest. There are two sides to this controversy and it will probably remain so for quite some time.

I agree, especially when is evident that the poster has an agenda with the subject and the original post was just a scam

[Beth56]

Originally Posted by cjma79

I agree, especially when is evident that the poster has an agenda with the subject and the original post was just a scam

I think you both have different opinions, no scam.

[fractured_kidult]

Why is that there must be a scam...becasue I take what I consider to be too many meds...heck if I was taking 4 meds that would be too much for me...But try telling a cancer patient or Aid/HIV pateient that they are taking too many pills...most have between 15 and 27 diff meds.

Also...you want a site that quotes research and is dedicated to the science of proving marijuana is not bad but in fact good...

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML

Thy use research, scientific fact, and not religious, sociological moral standings.

I agree that this is one topic that will only be solved once it marijuana is made legal. Tobacco and booze kill more people each day...but they both still remain legal...obesity, OTC drugs, prescriptions, even water, kills more people on average then marijuana. There is no one case or study that proves the use of marijuana was the cause of death in any form...

[fractured_kidult]

Originally Posted by cjma79

I agree, especially when is evident that the poster has an agenda with the subject and the original post was just a scam

Can you show me evidence of how it is a scam? Evidence and not speculation?

My evidence is my medical card...obviously...they think I need it or I would not have it.

[cjma79]

Originally Posted by fracturedman

Why is that there must be a scam...

Because you used your story (scam) to promote your agenda.
And second why start a discussion if you already made your mind.

becasue I take what I consider to be too many meds...heck if I was taking 4 meds that would be too much for me...But try telling a cancer patient or Aid/HIV pateient that they are taking too many pills...most have between 15 and 27 diff meds.

A Pt, with your conditions would not have so many, and a cancer pt. wont have 27(unless he has other conditions).

Also...you want a site that quotes research and is dedicated to the science of proving marijuana is not bad but in fact good...

Marijuana Law Reform - NORML

Oh and of course NORML, a dedicated group to legalize marijuana is a credible source.

Thy use research, scientific fact, and not religious, sociological moral standings.

They use research for their advantage ignore any that contradicts their view and only use the one that helps their cause.

I agree that this is one topic that will only be solved once it marijuana is made legal. Tobacco and booze kill more people each day...but they both still remain legal...obesity, OTC drugs, prescriptions, even water, kills more people on average then marijuana. There is no one case or study that proves the use of marijuana was the cause of death in any form...

No one has died from overdose, that doesn't mean people havent died in car accidents, etc.

[cjma79]

Originally Posted by fracturedman

Can you show me evidence of how it is a scam? Evidence and not speculation?

First you said 25 med, then it turns out be less, (just because you have 2 puff of the same drug doesn't mean you have more medication to take.)
Also I am doctor, and never seen a pt, with your conditions with so many medicine. (I think I have a handful of people with that much medication, 25)
Also you added simple OTC Vitamins, 3 of them that used them to support your 25 drugs to make your story even more of a scam.

My evidence is my medical card...obviously...they think I need it or I would not have it.

Also medical card works for RX, so why are your med so why?

So at the end of the day, you try to make up a story(that partially could be true, I don't know) to make push your point of view.
Then claim that marijuana has done things to you that have been proven to WORSEN.
So we already know you were not honest with the amount of medication(by adding the same drug, and adding vitamins that really don't count as a drug.) why should be believe any other part of your story?

[fractured_kidult]

Originally Posted by cjma79

First you said 25 med, then it turns out be less, (just because you have 2 puff of the same drug doesn't mean you have more medication to take.)
Also I am doctor, and never seen a pt, with your conditions with so many medicine. (I think I have a handful of people with that much medication, 25)
Also you added simple OTC Vitamins, 3 of them that used them to support your 25 drugs to make your story even more of a scam.


Also medical card works for RX, so why are your med so why?

So at the end of the day, you try to make up a story(that partially could be true, I don't know) to make push your point of view.
Then claim that marijuana has done things to you that have been proven to WORSEN.
So we already know you were not honest with the amount of medication(by adding the same drug, and adding vitamins that really don't count as a drug.) why should be believe any other part of your story?

If I was taking the meds my doctor prescribed I would be taking 25 doses a day of different meds. That is too many in my eyes. Why take so many when I can take one. My doctor said that the OTC drugs that he recommended could be perscribed but said they would be cheaper and possible to buy in bulk. The vitamins and such I understand...but steroid after steroid...sorry, but no...When I stopped using some of the meds I had withdrawls...when i stop using Marijuana I have none.

I do not have any agenda...I already know that it will one day soon be legal. I am just wondering why is it illegal when there are many other drugs that are far worse than it...smoking, beer, asprin, caffine...and many other perscribed drugs.

If you wish to think that it is a scam then so be it...Also

Oh and of course NORML, a dedicated group to legalize marijuana is a credible source.

Actually they are very credible they find studies that prove the possotive effects of marijuana. They use journals, and medical research for their sources.

Also, finding a source that is middle ground and that does not already have a formed opinion on this matter is impossible. Groups are made up of people, people have their own beleifs.

I love how almost every govt study that has been done to make it sound bad has shot them in the face with the actual benefits of it.

No one has died from overdose, that doesn't mean people havent died in car accidents, etc.

I wonder how many people have died in car accidents from drunk driving, Smoking, changing a CD, having friends in the car?

Also, how many people die each year from pure marijuana smoking...wait for it...0

there is no recorded case in history of anyone dying from the use of marijuana...it is always something else.

Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

wow, the numbers on that list cant be right...check again..they even have a source.

here is another...Annual Causes of Deaths in the United States

shoot these ones down...some of the sources are government sources.

If you dont think tobacco can cause a person to get a buzz or high...think again...it does.

The things that we now have legal are far worse than anything that marijuana can cause.

Also, allowing the growth of it on farms as a crop for all uses would rocket us out of this slump we are in. it would allow for a cheaper, healthier fuel. Did you know that hemp fuel evaporates as soon as it is used up...its clean and cheap. You could make your own fuel in your backyard.

and that is the problem...if they legalize it...anyone can grow it and form it into its thousands of uses. Small business's would be popping up all over the place...threatening the big business's that this country protects.

Also, you said that wiki was not a reliable source in one of your posts...how so? they back everything up with sources. I am not saying that it is all accurate but it does provide the means to conduct further research...if anyone is dumb enough to think wiki is the stopping point for source info...then they are wrong...it is merely a means to assist in topical research.

[cjma79]

Originally Posted by fracturedman

If I was taking the meds my doctor prescribed I would be taking 25 doses a day of different meds.

I seriously doubt this(main reason I believe this story is a scam).

That is too many in my eyes.

In everybody eyes.

Why take so many when I can take one.

Because in real life you dont have to take that many.

My doctor said that the OTC drugs that he recommended could be perscribed but said they would be cheaper and possible to buy in bulk.

OK.

The vitamins and such I understand...but steroid after steroid...sorry, but no...When I stopped using some of the meds I had withdrawls...when i stop using Marijuana I have none.

more scam.

I do not have any agenda...

Oh, i think is clear you do.

I already know that it will one day soon be legal. I am just wondering why is it illegal when there are many other drugs that are far worse than it...smoking, beer, asprin, caffine...and many other perscribed drugs.

Mainly culture.

Actually they are very credible they find studies that prove the possotive effects of marijuana. They use journals, and medical research for their sources.

Yes but ignoring other research makes them not reliable for the whole story.

Also, finding a source that is middle ground and that does not already have a formed opinion on this matter is impossible. Groups are made up of people, people have their own beleifs.

That is why we do double blind studies, where not even the doctor or scientist know.

I love how almost every govt study that has been done to make it sound bad has shot them in the face with the actual benefits of it.

What about all of NON government study that say the same?

I wonder how many people have died in car accidents from drunk driving, Smoking, changing a CD, having friends in the car?

A lot.

Also, how many people die each year from pure marijuana smoking...wait for it...0

Again, from overdose non.

there is no recorded case in history of anyone dying from the use of marijuana...it is always something else.

There is no record of people dying from overdose, but people have died from car accident with high on marijuana or smoking while driving.

Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

Is not reliable also the quote used, number 7, has nothing to do with marijuana.

wow, the numbers on that list cant be right...check again..they even have a source.

Yeah, the source is for marijuana (source number 7)
Then the source number for the actual number is talking about overdose.

here is another...Annual Causes of Deaths in the United States

Same as above.

shoot these ones down...some of the sources are government sources.

I never said people died from overdose, so I really dont know why you continue with the subject.

If you dont think tobacco can cause a person to get a buzz or high...think again...it does.

AND?

The things that we now have legal are far worse than anything that marijuana can cause.

Not according to some research

Also, allowing the growth of it on farms as a crop for all uses would rocket us out of this slump we are in.

Oh I see so marijuana is the cure and the solution for everything, and you dont have an agenda?

it would allow for a cheaper, healthier fuel. Did you know that hemp fuel evaporates as soon as it is used up...its clean and cheap. You could make your own fuel in your backyard.

Yeah, sure.

and that is the problem...if they legalize it...anyone can grow it and form it into its thousands of uses. Small business's would be popping up all over the place...threatening the big business's that this country protects.

If you say so.

Also, you said that wiki was not a reliable source in one of your posts...how so? they back everything up with sources.

OMG,
Not even universities accepts wiki as a reliable source. If you are student and hand out an assignment using wiki as a source you will get and F.
Is not reliable because is made from common people like you and me and can be edited by anybody. Some quotes are reliable but not everything.
http://cm203.loyola.edu/pdf/wiki.pdf

I am not saying that it is all accurate but it does provide the means to conduct further research...

ok

if anyone is dumb enough to think wiki is the stopping point for source info...then they are wrong...it is merely a means to assist in topical research.

ok