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Old 11-24-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Yes and i never did follow up on the American Spirit claim regarding what they use as a fire retardant.
I don't know how to go about doing that.
I've called twice and i spoke to the same woman on the phone.
How do i get to the truth regarding American Spirit?
Is there a reliable / trustworthy independent source that you know of?
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Yes and i never did follow up on the American Spirit claim regarding what they use as a fire retardant.
I don't know how to go about doing that.
I've called twice and i spoke to the same woman on the phone.
How do i get to the truth regarding American Spirit?
Is there a reliable / trustworthy independent source that you know of?
Unfortunately, i don't know who to direct you to. I only know that they used to state that they used a starch agent but they no longer make that claim on their website. They just say "special paper" now. Does it mean they changed it? Does it mean they're considering changing it? I honestly can't answer that. At this point, i can only tell you that you'll have to trust what R.J. Reynolds tells you about their products.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Unfortunately, i don't know who to direct you to. I only know that they used to state that they used a starch agent but they no longer make that claim on their website. They just say "special paper" now. Does it mean they changed it? Does it mean they're considering changing it? I honestly can't answer that. At this point, i can only tell you that you'll have to trust what R.J. Reynolds tells you about their products.
Well, i've got to get un-lazy and pursue this i guess ... or just quit ... i'm almost there anyway ... maybe it's just time to drop them completely.
Kind of a no-brainer obviously.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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Well, i've got to get un-lazy and pursue this i guess ... or just quit ... i'm almost there anyway ... maybe it's just time to drop them completely.
Kind of a no-brainer obviously.
Well, if you're almost there, then go for it. Good luck to you.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Well, if you're almost there, then go for it. Good luck to you.
Thank you.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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In terms of cost, it is still possible to RYO for slightly less than what you're currently paying. But even better, with RYO you'll be getting real tobacco, unlike the stuff in the premade cigarettes, which is essentially reconstituted sheet powder sprayed with all kinds of interesting chemicals which likely pose an even greater risk to one's health than the FSC paper.

Try this experiment, break apart one of your premade cigarettes that you've purchased and compare the appearance of that tobacco to one of the RYO tobacco's. It will be crystal clear to you which tobacco is of superior quality. If our(RYO people) tobacco degrades to the point that it looks like the stuff in a commercially made cigarette, we call it "shake" and we throw it out!
Prize-winning advice!

I started rolling my own 7 years ago with tube filters, doing it for cost purposes, and now I'm so addicted to the better taste of real tobacco, cost is no longer my motivation anymore. Many times, I have all but kicked myself for switching, because of the time it takes to roll a pack of cigarttes. But, I'm getting more clever now, and now I can stuff two tube filters at once, which speeds it up. I dry a big bag of tobacco, crush it up real fine (but not too fine) and sift it into the tubes, two at a time. I do it while watching TV.

But now, I'm to the point of no return. I can't simply concieve of buying store-bought cigarettes anymore. It's far worse than going from butter to margarine. It's not only tastier but healthier with fewer chemicals.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Unincorporated Gwinnett
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I have been a smoker on and off for 5 yrs and can't believe this is actually happening. I think I am more pissed because I didn't know sooner.....
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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About 27 years ago I moved from NJ (sealevel) to Colorado (mile high) and noticed that my cigarettes didn't stay lit as long .... well the idiots in Colorado who pushed this crap weren't smokers so they didn't know that cigarettes don't stay lit here unless you puff on them often ... now it's even worse with these cigarettes - I find myself re-lighting my one cigarette at least five or more times - so the people who sell lighters are happy as I go through those fast ....
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:44 AM
 
Location: home state of Myrtle Beach!
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About 27 years ago I moved from NJ (sealevel) to Colorado (mile high) and noticed that my cigarettes didn't stay lit as long .... well the idiots in Colorado who pushed this crap weren't smokers so they didn't know that cigarettes don't stay lit here unless you puff on them often ... now it's even worse with these cigarettes - I find myself re-lighting my one cigarette at least five or more times - so the people who sell lighters are happy as I go through those fast ....
I'd fix that fast and buy a bunch of matches and keep lighters for those times when lighting a match won't work.
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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Default FSC cause illness

Clearly FSC was created by anti-smoking. I have smoked cigarettes for over 40 years. I have not died from smoking. I enjoy smoking, at least, until anti-smoking changed the cigarette recipe to FSC. When I smoked an FSC cigarette I immediately could tell that in addition to the FSC the tobacco was not the same. I am speaking from experience of being a 40 year Marlboro cigarette customer. The FSC cigarette caused me throat illness. It wasn't until I stopped smoking FSC cigarettes and went back to my normal Marlboro cigarettes did my throat illness go away. I cannot smoke FSC cigarettes. Obviously that is what the anti-smoking wants. Which is wrong. I would file a class action lawsuit against the governments, (state and federal) for ruining the health of smokers by forcing FSC on everyone; and removal of choice, i.e. both normal and FSC should be available; NOT a law that forces FSC only with the false pretense of saving houses from burning down. However, I am afraid that a law suit will not do anything for the smokers; Anti-smoking will be supported by the politically correct. So, what can we do? Blackmarket? Equate normal cigarettes to marijuana where you can be sent to jail if you start a business making normal cigarettes? Of course anti-smoking wants everyone to quit and with FSC it looks like they win, we lose. There is nothing that I know of that we can do about this except learn how to make your own cigarette paper and grow your own tobacco. Will the government outlaw that next? By the way, where do I get normal cigarettes? I get them from foreign countries where they do not FSC it.
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