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Old 01-03-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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The second page of your link has the exact same stats I posted earlier for general anesthesia deaths: 1 in 250,000
I remember talking to Anesthesiologist and he told me as long as I was healthy I will be fine!no underlying problems,.etc..


I don't think anyone would be getting surgery and going under anesthesia if 80 percent of people were succumbing to it!
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Old 01-03-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: 3814′45″N 12237′53″W
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The second page of your link has the exact same stats I posted earlier for general anesthesia deaths: 1 in 250,000
Yes, but you left out the entire context in which it was written:

Death or serious illness or injury due solely to anesthesia is rare and is usually also related to complications from the surgery.
Death occurs in about 1 in 250,000 people receiving general anesthesia, although risks are greater for those people with serious medical conditions

Context is key and offering the full link to the texts is critical. You offer more hysteria than help sometimes.
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Holy crud? 80 percent????????????????????????????? I just had twilight and then another form just before the general anesthesia...
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I don't think anyone would be getting surgery and going under anesthesia if 80 percent of people were succumbing to it!
Auntianne didn't say that 80% of people having surgery or anesthesia die. She said that out of the people who die having surgery, 80% of the deaths were anesthesia related ---- as opposed to the other 20% who died having surgery died due to other complications. That 80% is of the dead people, not 80% of total people having surgeries.

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OMG, Hope. I am so sorry about your sister. How awful.
Awe, thanks for your kind words, njsocks. It was a long time ago. Still amazes me today that she's not here to be an aunt and sister. She was sooooo young!

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Yes, but you left out the entire context in which it was written:

Death or serious illness or injury due solely to anesthesia is rare and is usually also related to complications from the surgery.
Death occurs in about 1 in 250,000 people receiving general anesthesia, although risks are greater for those people with serious medical conditions

Context is key and offering the full link to the texts is critical. You offer more hysteria than help sometimes.
I merely posted the specific sentence to show where the actual stats were located in the link. (Stats are numbers.) I thought you may have missed the second page.

Afterall, how could I not think you missed it when you were challenging previous stats and your link had the same stats?
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Old 01-03-2010, 03:28 PM
 
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I merely posted the specific sentence to show where the actual stats were located in the link. (Stats are numbers.) I thought you may have missed the second page.

Afterall, how could I not think you missed it when you were challenging previous stats and your link had the same stats?
Bottom line is, no one here has bothered to link to any specific information, just stats pulled from the ether, as if! ...which is NOT helpful, but in fact hurtful.
Quoting stats from sources is great, but,
sources should be linked and referenced.
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Old 01-03-2010, 03:30 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Bottom line is, no one here has bothered to link to any specific information, just stats pulled from the ether, as if! ...which is NOT helpful, but in fact hurtful.
Quoting stats from sources is great, but,
sources should be linked and referenced.

You know. Not every piece of information in the UNIVERSE comes off the internet. Some people still READ BOOKS, (and magazines and medical journals), you know. It's rather difficult to post a LINK to a book.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 01-03-2010, 03:53 PM
 
Location: 3814′45″N 12237′53″W
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You know. Not every piece of information in the UNIVERSE comes off the internet. Some people still READ BOOKS, (and magazines and medical journals), you know. It's rather difficult to post a LINK to a book.

20yrsinBranson

Yes, but the book, magazine or medical journal can easily be referenced. It can be called a citation or a footnote if you like depending on how you do it. But just do it!
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Old 01-03-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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All I am saying is that in about 99 percent of the cases where surgery is indicated can be corrected without surgery.
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Some people still READ BOOKS, (and magazines and medical journals), you know.
Really??? In which medical journal did you read this statistic?

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Old 01-04-2010, 12:39 AM
 
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Bottom line is, no one here has bothered to link to any specific information, just stats pulled from the ether, as if! ...which is NOT helpful, but in fact hurtful.
Quoting stats from sources is great, but,
sources should be linked and referenced.
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Yes, but the book, magazine or medical journal can easily be referenced. It can be called a citation or a footnote if you like depending on how you do it. But just do it!
I want to personally thank you for bothering to validate the statistics I posted earlier.

I sometimes forget that others can be incapable of using google search to research topics themselves.
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:41 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Really??? In which medical journal did you read this statistic?
Well it sure wasn't the "Surgeons Compendium of Unnecessary Procedures to Pay of the Condo in Burmuda" Journal, I can tell you that.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Do not be scared away from this. It is not accurate to say that general anesthesia is a "crap shoot".

"[D]ue to the introduction of sophisticated monitoring devices, better training, understanding of the physiologic effects of anesthetics and better transmission of information concerning causes of anesthesia mortality, the mortality rate has fallen into the range of 5-6 deaths/million anesthetic administrations."
Mortality Associated with Anesthesia - Anesthesiology expert article by Henry Rosenberg, M.D., Professor ofAnesthesiology, Thomas Jefferson University

If you are concerned about the risks associated with anesthesia you should talk to your doctor, both your surgeon and your anesthesiologist, specifically about the risks, any existing conditions you may have that would increase your risks, and what they recommend. Then you can make an informed decision.

Given the low, and constantly declining, incidence of mortality, this should be considered a very safe procedure. I do not minimize the pain that posters whose relatives have died in surgery have suffered, but that should not cause you to overestimate the risk you face.

By the way, my history of general anesthesia goes back to about 1960, when I had my tonsils out (and they dripped ether in my eye and I lost vision in one eye for a while) to about a year ago, when I had rotator cuff surgery. As I was coming out of anesthesia they told me that they had gotten my right shoulder all fixed up and my first words out of anesthesia were, "What?? You did the right shoulder???"

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