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Old 09-23-2011, 11:57 PM
 
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The white slavers enslaved their own children from slave mothers. They would even sell them to other slavers. Rarely did they look at their own mixed race children as any thing but slaves. Hell fire wouldn't be enough for these sick criminals.
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Old 09-24-2011, 03:26 AM
 
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Primitive peoples were not so interested in sex from slaves as uptight Christians. Sex was not "consensual" as we think of it today between any primitive men and women. And, non-consensual sex between primitive men and women and between slave masters and slaves was probably less violent than non-consensual sex is today. Its just how it was for women 300 years ago. Most Native American tribes viewed slaves from conquered settlements more as a source of food (or terror), typically eating the children and killing the potential warriors and making use of whom they could. I'm sure that certain enslaved Native American tribes were worthy of breeding stock by their conquerors, but there is very little history on this. It is estimated that 50% of all Native American deaths from all causes were at the hands of other Native Americans. On the African continent south of the Sahara, every tribe were either slaves or slave masters and this went back and forth quite a bit over time. Again, conquered tribes were often eaten, always killed. Just as it is in Africa today. The rivers ran red with the blood of slaves. Again, just as they do today. Certainly tribal murder is the leading cause of death in Sub Saharan Africa.

Of course, in America the slaves owned by white Americans had significant economic value and were treated as such by their owners. Even so, sex was probably the least of their problems.

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Old 10-01-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I keep the whips, chains, leather things, nipple-clamps, vibrators, butt-plugs, dildos, and porn in my bedroom closet.

Oops. Wrong thread.
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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Maybe white people and black people should exclusively procreate with other races so that in another couple of generations we won't have to discuss it anymore.
The BAHA'I religion promotes and encourages interracial marraiges.
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: the Outer Limits
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As long as slavery is the topic I thought I toss in my two Quid.

I watched Lewis Gates, professor and editor of a multi volume set of book of American blacks and their history on Book TV on C-Span. According to Gates. the first slave was captured in Africa and brought to North America in the 16th century several years before Henry Hudson saied the Dutch schip Halve Maen up the river that was named to honor him,. The slaveexcaped and made his way home 25 years later.

My ancestors arrived in the colonies in the 1600s. In the North they were Dutch farmers; in the South they were English tobacco planters. They all had large farms and African slaves they bought. I read in a book about the early founders of New York, the Dutch slaves were well treated. The lived near the main house. The went to church, the were clothed and fed, the children were educated and they had the same medical care as the master's children. The slave family spoke Dutch. If they were unhappy they were free to move with their family to another farm as long as the seller and buyer could agree on a price. All of the men were freed once the period of servitude ended. They were given two sets of clothing, boots, a coat, a hat and a horse or mule, their papers and money, It was written that many of the slaves remained with the Master as Freed Men and died there. It was not idyllic, for slavery never is, but their life and the lives of their children could have been much worse.

I don't think love knows boundaries. Conversely, I think slave women voluntarily slept with the "master" - even though they may have privately wished them dead - to escape cruelty, torture, and death at the hands of a cruel master.

"Mandingo" was a novel written about the slaves before and during the Civil War. It's a novel that some say is an accurate portrayal of the genteel South. .
There were some slaves treated well but, no, they were not "free". I think this happened more often in the old colonies, Virginia, NC and Sc, as well as , the other eastern border states.

I also think Mandingo was sensationalized to sell books, which it did.

Anyone interested in Southern history should also read, The Children of Pride , not the abridged version (which was a travesty) but the 3 volume set.

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...K.Berry..Amazon.com..."Children of Pride" is a collection of letters written between highly educated and influential friends and family just before and during the Civil War in southeast Georgia. This book reads like a novel and the older edition (1971) contains brief biographies of the principal "characters" which is very helpful. There is a recent edition that is edited to be more politically correct and adapted to modern interpretations of the War and the issues that were debated. The family lived primarily south of Savannah and were members of Midway Presbyterian Church, still standing and contains a museum of family photos, etc. that relate to the family. The cemetery there and at Oakland Cemetery in Atlanta also have headstones of people chronicled in the book. I feel like I have met them after reading this book. I HIGHLY recommend this series. The three volumes must be read together as they are chronological. The original edition contains all three. The location of the original home has all but disappeared as a paper mill bought the property and built nearly on top of it...snip...
In the book, it speaks of one of the long time family negro slaves was ill, I think, and not able to nurse her baby and one of the daughters of the house nursed the child. You don't hear of that much or hear about it.

Another excellent book is "A Woman Rice Planter" by Elizabeth Allston Pringle. I enjoyed that book tremendously and it mirrored some personal experiences I had.

Slavery has been done to death. I am not negating what happened but this is the 21st century...can't we get some relief ?
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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Ahh, just as I thought. You don't really have a source. I doubt that slaves chose to sleep with their masters. They might have done it out of fear or to protect their children, but I seriously doubt it was something they did out of love for their masters. Imagine being owned like a dog is owned. You are told who to sleep with for the purpose of breeding stong stock. Your children can be sold, and you will never see them again. You are not allowed to learn to read in case you use this knowledge to escape or instill rebellion in other slaves. Slavery was reprehensible, and there is no way to make it appear otherwise. I do think that many slaves were raped by their masters. Also, if you were a slave and your master wanted to sleep with you, how could you refuse? You couldn't. That is what being a slave meant. You were owned.
I don't think all the slave owners were rapist and forced the slaves into sex maybe some did fall in love.
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Old 10-05-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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I don't think all the slave owners were rapist and forced the slaves into sex maybe some did fall in love.
Of course the slave masters fell in love with the slave girls. You dont think the white missus gonna fix da grits and chicken for him do ya?
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: The Plains
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Young Black women who worked as a laundress in the Union Army camps could expect to routinely sexually assaulted by officers who were in command of Black Troops.
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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Most historians discount Washington fathering any children with slaves. The proof? He and Martha had no children although she had a couple in her first marriage. She was therefore fertile. Washington may not have been, he was actually pretty unhealthy: smallpox, malaria, bad teeth, etc. Note the link's infertility reference.

Presidential Diseases - Diseases of the Presidents of the United States

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Agree on the "fathering slaves" part. Nor is there any compelling evidence he even had sex with slaves. He wasn't a saint, but that does not seem to be among his sins. (Jefferson on ther other hand... )

However, Washington was notably fit. Smallpox and malaria came and went, and the teeth were a chronic problem of the age (though Washington had a particularly bad case). But he was a strong and fit man. After all, he died after spending much of a day working his estate on horseback in freezing rain at the age of 67. This was the lifestyle he kept at that time, at an age many years beyond the average lifespan even amongst the upper class to which he belonged.
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Pontificating based on scanty information

We have some first hand accounts of what it was like to be a slave, from such people as Frederick Douglass and others, but since most slaves were kept by design in a state of illiteracy there are not very many of these accounts, and they represent a tiny fraction of all people who were held as slaves. Nonetheless, certain facts are known, for example that some slaves' children were sold off and families broken up.

Two extreme positions are possible, neither of which is tenable. The first would be that all slave owners were cruel and all slaves were brutalized and mistreated. The second would be that slaves were basically happy with their lack of responsibility and that slave owners were benign dictators since their slaves were valuable property economically speaking. Slave owners themselves tended to espouse the second view, but this was probably self-delusion for the most part, as the slaves could figure out what attitudes their owners wanted to see and presented that false front in their own self-interest.

But given the large number of slave owners over a fairly large geographical area, and given the wide variations in personality and character traits among us human beings, it is almost certain that some slaves were well treated, even if this represented (as I believe it did) a minority.

As far as what percentage of cases fell in one extreme or the other, and what percentage fell somewhere in the middle, that is something that is ultimately unknowable.
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