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There there was still a group of people (not Africans). These people have disappeared ... there were qualitative and technical constructions. Mysterious people have disappeared and Egypt became primitive.
Not at all. I didn't present any irrelevant facts. The less intelligent and the more naturally biased a person seems to be, the less credible he or she is. If an avowed member of the KKK posted here on the subject, for example, that person would lack fundamental credibility because, like yourself, that person would show an unacceptable bias toward a certain outcome.
Your method is to shout down and bully anyone who actually wastes time questioning your Mighty Scientific Proof. They are, with justification, nervous that you will get angry and hint that they must be racists (as you have repeatedly done). I bother you because, for some reason, I do not seem to fear that. I'll let you take your guesses about that reason--it will stimulate your mind, and that would probably be beneficial.
While I admit there is a slight possiblity she could have had a small amount of "black" blood (since the exact identity of her mother is unknown) there is no question a majority of her blood was Macedonian Greek. She was born into a family of incest and inbreeding.
avenger, here are some texts that mention the Hellenes (Greek speaking peoples) of Ionia and Caria that the 26th dynasty rulers favored as their mercenaries.
Herodotus gives a little history of the Asia Minor Hellene descent people in Egypt.
There was intermarriage with the locals but in that culture and time's social context, they would have still consider themselves to be Hellenes as distinct from the bulk of the local Egyptian population who were at the bottom of the social totem pole.
It might have been the case that native Egyptian ancestry sometimes seeped through this pipeline.
Since you write that the Ptolemies were mainly inbreed and incestuous, do you have a reference to the genealogical tree of Cleo?
Not at all. I didn't present any irrelevant facts. The less intelligent and the more naturally biased a person seems to be, the less credible he or she is. If an avowed member of the KKK posted here on the subject, for example, that person would lack fundamental credibility because, like yourself, that person would show an unacceptable bias toward a certain outcome.
Your method is to shout down and bully anyone who actually wastes time questioning your Mighty Scientific Proof. They are, with justification, nervous that you will get angry and hint that they must be racists (as you have repeatedly done). I bother you because, for some reason, I do not seem to fear that. I'll let you take your guesses about that reason--it will stimulate your mind, and that would probably be beneficial.
Your presence in these topics has offered NOTHING of value in any of these threads. Funny how you seem to be annoyed by my referencing of "Mighty Scientific Proof", but ironically your very first post on this topic asked me to reference studies to prove my assertions. The proof must have flew over your head, so you had to resort to desperate ad hominens. As several posters in these threads have noted, the very idea of a "Black conceived" Egypt must be so much to bear that people like you must resort to downright denial to avoid accepting it. Why in the Hell you must know my "motives" in order to accept what is now a fact shows that it is YOU who have a personal vendetta in this argument.
And again NO ONE has provided a shred of peer reviewed evidence to combat those that I have presented earlier. I'm not about to entertain some numb skull's crazy alien or a completely unfounded roaming Russians theories for the sake of arguing. I will debate someone with scholarly sources and up to date biocultural evidence in support of their stance then I will indeed debate them. But notice none has been put fourth by you (who is only waiting to know motives to accept the evidence.....lol SMH) or any of the other naysayers, just simple minded DENIAL and dismissal of my peer reviewed evidence as "not important" or "not original". It s PATHETIC!
Oh and yes you are right after I post an authoratative statement from the "Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt" confirming my argument as fact and some simple minded individual responds to it with "black africans had nothing to do with Egypt" (as some members have done) I sure in the Hell will call them out as the backwards thinking, narrow minded racist that they are. And no I'm not the only one in these threads to state this.
Your presence in these topics has offered NOTHING of value in any of these threads.
In your opinion (speaking of things of no value). I think it's helped you to help me demonstrate my point, which is that you entered the topic with a particular emotional bias toward a given position and made sure to let everyone know that anyone who disagreed with you would risk bullying innuendos of racism. I didn't force you to behave as you have--you chose to, every step of the way.
As several posters in these threads have noted, the very idea of a "Black conceived" Egypt must be so much to bear that people like you must resort to downright denial to avoid accepting it.
This is my take, as I can't stay away from this amusing thread even when I am in a foreign country.
I've read this thread, every post, even Koverts (but don't tell him). I see absolutely no one that disagrees with your idea. I see no one that was horrified of the idea of a black egypt. I see no one that was in denial. I see no evidence of racial discord until you brought it into the discussion. I do see people that have sincerely asked for clarrification - and you have attacked them.
I have to agree with jkk's analysis, you are so blinded by anger and bias it's making your responses non-sensical. You are being so diverted by race that you are ignoring the topic itself. Who discussed aliens? No one did, that was a diversion by the other guy. You were baited, and you fell for it. Who discussed "roaming Russians"? It's simply a minor subtopic, one that you had actually supported in your aforementioned "invaders from Eurasia" comment. Irrelevant to your conclusions. Who blatanly disagreed with you? No one. Who is bringing race into the topic? - Only one person here - you continuing to shove it down our throat while we continue to respond with a collective yawn. You have lost credibility. By bringing up the above nonsensical and nonrelevant topics - you are destroying your own message.
I'm not about to entertain some numb skull's crazy alien or a completely unfounded roaming Russians theories for the sake of arguing.
Oh and yes you are right after I post an authoratative statement from the "Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt" confirming my argument as fact and some simple minded individual responds to it with "black africans had nothing to do with Egypt" (as some members have done) I sure in the Hell will call them out as the backwards thinking, narrow minded racist that they are. And no I'm not the only one in these threads to state this.
Through my studies of Afro-Arabian peoples, I am well aware of the distortions, particularly the pseudo-scientific/historical racialist distortions that were utilized to justify the colonization and slavery during the 18th and 19th century.
That is why I equally point out that American Afrocentrics likewise utilize variants of that distorted ideology to further their own racialist ideologies.
You keep using the term "black african" but do you realize this is likewise a foreign, colonized terminology?
That is not what the people the term refers to would have called themselves, and in fact they did not appreciate that term at all (see p.234).
Those terms especially during the mid to late 18th-19th century were not objective nor neutral.
There was an ideology behind them, empowering them, along with certain erroneous value judgments.
As I previously stated, those terms and the ideology associated with them was completely alien to the cultural worldview of Afro-Arabian peoples.
And like a intrusive infection, that ideology has proven to be fatally disastrous once it was artificially grafted onto Afro-Arabian peoples.
The horrendous conflicts of Rwanda, Sudan, & Mauritania for example.
I highly recommend checking out the link I posted to the Brace document.
On physical anthropological and historical grounds, my man Brace (a Euro-American male) completely demolishes the racialist pseudo-scientific/academic ideologies of some 18th and 19th century colonial/slavery sympathizers along with their modern day ideological descendants.
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This is my take, as I can't stay away from this amusing thread even when I am in a foreign country.
My lessons are that great? Why thank you Junior!
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I've read this thread, every post.
Well at least you're reading something.
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I do see people that have sincerely asked for clarrification - and you have attacked them.
And when I asked you for clarification, I've received either evasions or idiotic speculations about Russians and space aliens.
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I have to agree with jkk's analysis, you are so blinded by anger and bias it's making your responses non-sensical.
Junior, those living in glass houses.
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You are being so diverted by race that you are ignoring the topic itself. Who discussed aliens? No one did, that was a diversion by the other guy.
Junior, are you forgetting that I can easily repost when a certain New Ager introduced claims about space aliens into the thread?
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You were baited, and you fell for it. Who discussed "roaming Russians"?
Junior, you seem to have as much trouble getting right the recent past as you do with the ancient one.
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You have lost credibility. By bringing up the above nonsensical and nonrelevant topics - you are destroying your own message.
In your opinion (speaking of things of no value). I think it's helped you to help me demonstrate my point, which is that you entered the topic with a particular emotional bias toward a given position and made sure to let everyone know that anyone who disagreed with you would risk bullying innuendos of racism. I didn't force you to behave as you have--you chose to, every step of the way.
"Emotional bias"? Well whatever anyway do you have any Scholarly or up to date Scientific evidence to counter that of what I've posted?
"Emotional bias"? Well whatever anyway do you have any Scholarly or up to date Scientific evidence to counter that of what I've posted?
Because of your obvious emotional bias, I don't trust you to select sources with any objectivity, nor even to quote them accurately and with full context. Therefore, I don't care what sources or evidence you post--it is fruit of the poisoned tree unless someone credible also posts it. If someone came on here and was a fan of David Irving's history, for example, I wouldn't bother checking his references either--I'd know where that was coming from, knowing a bit about Irving, and not bother.
This is my take, as I can't stay away from this amusing thread even when I am in a foreign country.
I've read this thread, every post, even Koverts (but don't tell him). I see absolutely no one that disagrees with your idea. I see no one that was horrified of the idea of a black egypt. I see no one that was in denial. I see no evidence of racial discord until you brought it into the discussion. I do see people that have sincerely asked for clarrification - and you have attacked them.
I have to agree with jkk's analysis, you are so blinded by anger and bias it's making your responses non-sensical. You are being so diverted by race that you are ignoring the topic itself. Who discussed aliens? No one did, that was a diversion by the other guy. You were baited, and you fell for it. Who discussed "roaming Russians"? It's simply a minor subtopic, one that you had actually supported in your aforementioned "invaders from Eurasia" comment. Irrelevant to your conclusions. Who blatanly disagreed with you? No one. Who is bringing race into the topic? - Only one person here - you continuing to shove it down our throat while we continue to respond with a collective yawn. You have lost credibility. By brig up the above nonsensical and nonrelevant topics - you are destroying your own message.
Bs Dd I originally entered this thread due to your ridiculous assertions that Nubians and the early ancient Egyptians were somehow different populations biologically. This assertion on your behlaf was completely flatlined by actual scientific references concluding that the ancient Egyptians, and Nubians, and Saharans, and modern Sub Saharan East Africans share the same biological affinities. On a past thread I posted an indept 2008 study by SOY Keita finding that early Egyptians and ancient Nubians were basically the same people biolgoically.
You however continued to parade around these ridiculous theories of Russian settlement into the Nile Valley and what not. In an attempt to almost disregaurd the peer revoewed evidence just posted. But yeah whatever you've proven yourself to be a great intellectual who adheres to logic and science and let's go of personal bias. (Ain't that what you wanted to here?)
Kovert the use of "black African" on my part is strictly from a social perspective. I know that humans do not call into discreet races.
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Silly guy!