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Old 07-21-2010, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Actually, Gentiles are only bound by the 7 Noahic Commandments.
According to traditional Judaism, G-d gave Noah and his family seven commandments to observe when he saved them from the flood. These commandments, referred to as the Noahic or Noahide commandments, are inferred from Genesis Ch. 9, and are as follows: 1) to establish courts of justice; 2) not to commit blasphemy; 3) not to commit idolatry; 4) not to commit incest and adultery; 5) not to commit bloodshed; 6) not to commit robbery; and 7) not to eat flesh cut from a living animal.

Just curious how Noah was able to get around no. 4. Also wondering who was going against no. 7 at the time.
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Old 07-21-2010, 09:15 PM
 
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Just curious how Noah was able to get around no. 4.
Mrs. Noah.


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Also wondering who was going against no. 7 at the time.
Could've been the custom in Noah's family before these 7 Noahic Commandments were given. Even if that was not the case, it remained as a prohibition against later generations.
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Old 07-21-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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Mrs. Noah.
And then what?
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:02 PM
 
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And then what?
Noah's several sons each had wives, and their children would marry their first cousins. Marrying a first cousin is not incest.
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Old 08-13-2010, 03:31 AM
 
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The 'Secret Jews' of San Luis Valley | Science & Nature | Smithsonian Magazine

Above is but one article that supports the secret Jewish society of Northern New Mexico

Another:

Simon Romero. "Hispanics Uncovering Roots as Inquisition's 'Hidden' Jews." The New York Times (October 29, 2005). Excerpts:
"When she was growing up in a small town in southern Colorado, an area where her ancestors settled centuries ago when it was on the fringes of the northern frontier of New Spain, Bernadette Gonzalez always thought some of the stories about her family were unusual, if not bizarre. Her grandmother, for instance, refused to travel on Saturday and would use a specific porcelain basin to drain blood out of meat before she cooked it. In one tale that particularly puzzled Ms. Gonzalez, 52, her grandfather called for a Jewish doctor to circumcise him... Ms. Gonzalez started researching her family history and concluded that her ancestors were Marranos, or Sephardic Jews, who had fled the Inquisition in Spain and in Mexico more than four centuries ago. Though raised in the Roman Catholic faith, Ms. Gonzalez felt a need to reconnect to her Jewish roots, so she converted to Judaism three years ago. ... These conversions are the latest chapter in the story of the crypto-Jews, or hidden Jews, of the southwestern United States and northern Mexico, who are thought to be descended from the Sephardic Jews who began fleeing Spain more than 500 years ago. The story is being bolstered by recent historical research and advances in DNA testing that are said to reveal a prominent role played by crypto-Jews and their descendants in Spain's colonization of the Southwest. ...

And the article goes on to say that about 1 in 10 men tested are positive for Semitic DNA



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Old 08-13-2010, 05:02 AM
 
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Could be descendents of Spanish Jews whose everyday language was/is Ladino (Castillian Spanish written using the Hebrew alphabet).

A large part of northern New Mexico and south Colorado has Jewish DNA, and many of the women have the very virulent form of breast cancer normally associated with Jewish women.

Many Jews who left Spain traveled to Mexico and then up to Santa Fe to escape the inquisition. Even then, they kept their Jewish religious practices secret for so long that only remnants remain: those families whose custom was to light candles on Friday night, not to use lard and to collect dust sweepings in a bundle, rather than sweep them through the front door, are probably of Jewish descent.

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Many Converted Jews and Converted Moorish (Moriscos) fled to Spanish America, but quite curiously in America they were classified as "Converted". There was no distinction between Jewish or Moorish origin, so in America it's quite difficult to ascertain if those families are Jewish or Moorish.

More so taking into consideration that they didn't flaunt their "dirty blood" since the Inquisition was also present in America.

As to the Jewish DNA as you call it, not determinant since it's quite widespread in Spain.
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Old 08-13-2010, 05:14 AM
 
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So I guess us non-Spaniards should avoid Taos? You sort of make it sound dangerous.

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There's a National Geographic feature about those Spaniards living in Taos.

They arrived there during the last quarter of the XVIIIth Century.

They live in isolation fighting Indians and Americans, somehow they resisted the generalized pillage suffered by the Spanish speaking population when the land was invaded by illegal trappers and bandits.

Their priest was Spanish.

I'm talking about 30 or more years ago, maybe they are not there anymore.
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Old 08-13-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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Yeah, and my name is Jose Ventura Santiago Quintanna.
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Old 08-13-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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Quintana
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Old 08-15-2010, 04:55 AM
 
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Thank you. My late husband's name was Juan Andres, truly. I worked on my husbands genealogy and studied a lot about New Mexico and Arizona.
Found the spaniards bred out in the late 1700's and 1800's even though Pauline Chavez's book pretends it was unusual for the mexicans to marry whites. There are obviously more coyotes than Spanish.
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