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Old 01-31-2011, 11:08 PM
 
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DUDE, stop cheating! How am I ever going to get an opportunity to contribute to the thread if you are going to post a day ahead of time.
Oh, okay. You can have all the secessions for February and March.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:50 PM
 
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Oh, okay. You can have all the secessions for February and March.
Hey! I'm just saying you don't have to be such an overachiever!
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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Great thread, I am quietly enjoying it.

Looking forward to the next post. Ovcatto, can you elaborate on February 2nd: the Texas secession? It's just that Grandstander has been doing such a great job his detailed summaries
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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Great thread, I am quietly enjoying it.

Looking forward to the next post. Ovcatto, can you elaborate on February 2nd: the Texas secession? It's just that Grandstander has been doing such a great job his detailed summaries
Look, I have enough trouble just keeping up with him, now you want me to be as informative as well!

How about stop lurking and start helping out!!!!!
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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January 2, 1861

Texas becomes the 7th state to pass ordinances of secession stating in the Declaration of Causes:
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
DECLARATION OF CAUSES - Texas State Library

Despite the sentiments of the Secession conventions, Texas' leading citizen Sam Houston had this to say about the issue"
"To secede from the Union and set up another government would cause war. If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. It will take the flower of the country-the young men."

"In the name of the constitution of Texas, which has been trampled upon, I refuse to take this oath. I love Texas too well to bring civil strife and bloodshed upon her."

"I declare that civil war is inevitable and is near at hand. When it comes the descendants of the heros of Lexington and Bunker Hill will be found equal in patriotism, courage and heroic endurance with the descendants of the heroes of Cowpens and Yorktown. For this reason I predict the civil war which is now at hand will be stubborn and of long duration."
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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From the link ovcatto provided:
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We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
Something of a contrast in nobility of sentiment to Jefferson's notion "...that all men are created equal."

In their list of gripes which they present to justify secession, they saved the key one for last:
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And, finally, by the combined sectional vote of the seventeen non-slave-holding States, they have elected as president and vice-president of the whole confederacy two men whose chief claims to such high positions are their approval of these long continued wrongs, and their pledges to continue them to the final consummation of these schemes for the ruin of the slave-holding States.
That last of course is hyperbole and distortion, Lincoln and the GOP represenatives had run on no platform which called for the enhancement and expansion of the activities about which the Texas document complains. They ran on a platform which called for terminating the expansion of slavery, which would indeed have the ultimate impact of eliminating the conditions which the South had so long used to give their 5.5 million whites, the same political power as was wielded by the 22 million whites of the North.

There is a certain irony, and hypocrisy, contained within the complaint that the free states had combined to gain control of the executive branch. From the election of Andrew Jackson in 1828, through the 1856 election, the Southern States had wielded outsized political power because they acted in unison over all issues related to slavery. They enjoyed absolute veto power over all nominees for president, Democrat or Whig, by dangling the threat of sinking the party in the election if the candidate was not friendly toward slavery. By acting as a bloc in the Senate, they were positioned to torpedo any legislation which they found unwelcome. By acting in concert, one quarter of the nation's white population was able to exercise 50% of its political muscle.

When in 1860 the majority of the population, which resided in the North, took their cue from the South and came together under the Republican banner, that same tactic which the South had employed for 32 years of domination, was instantly an outrage in Southern eyes.
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Old 02-03-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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February 3, 1861:

Not everything that was happening in America was related to the secession crisis. On this day 150 years ago, an incident took place in New Mexico which was to trigger another war which lasted 11 years.

Near Apache Pass Station, a stage coach way stop, a farmer had his son kidnapped and his cattle stolen by Apache raiders. Determining that the Apache chief, Cochise was responsible for the crime, Lt. George Bascom, a recent West Point graduate, led a troop of 54 soldiers to confront Cochise and demand the return of the boy and the livestock. Cochise denied involvement in the theft, identified the Indian who had engineered the act, and offered to find him himself and bring him for trial. The inexperienced Bascom decided that Cochise was lying, and had him arrested along with two of Cochise's nephews.

Cochise escaped almost immediately, and captured three whites as hostages. He sent a message to Bascom saying that the treatment of his captives depended upon the good treatment of his nephews, and offered an exchange. Bascom foolishly declined this offer and instead hung the nephews and began preparing a punitive expedition against Cochise.

Cochise retaliated by killing his hostages, and then allied himself with his father in law, Mangas Colaradas to make war on the whites. Mangas Colaradas was one of the toughest men, white or red, to ever live in America. He and Cochise launched a preemptive raiding war on the whites, later they were joined in these activities by Geronimo. Mangas was finally tricked into attending a peace conference in 1863 where he was arrested, but Cochise continued the war. He was captured in 1871, but escaped once more and sustained the hostilities for another year until President Grant finally sent peace commissioners to negotiate an end to it all. Cochise worked out a deal which allowed his people to remain on their own lands.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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Look, I have enough trouble just keeping up with him, now you want me to be as informative as well!

How about stop lurking and start helping out!!!!!
Just giving you a hard time there

Sure, I'll chime in on some upcoming dates.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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February 4th, 1861

Big day for the South. The Confederacy was born. Delegates from the seven states which had declared secession met in Montgomery, Alabama to wotk out the details for forming a new nation. Howell Cobb of Georgia is elected president of the convention. Their goal is to have their new nation in place within a month, so that they would be organized and ready to defend themselves when Lincoln assumed the office of US president. This would require writing and adopting a constitution, and electing a temporary CSA president who would be the chief executive until 1862 when popular elections could be staged.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:54 PM
 
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February 4th, 1861

Big day for the South. The Confederacy was born. Delegates from the seven states which had declared secession met in Montgomery, Alabama to wotk out the details for forming a new nation. Howell Cobb of Georgia is elected president of the convention. Their goal is to have their new nation in place within a month, so that they would be organized and ready to defend themselves when Lincoln assumed the office of US president. This would require writing and adopting a constitution, and electing a temporary CSA president who would be the chief executive until 1862 when popular elections could be staged.

I have to second everyone else who said what a great thread this is. Very informative and civil. Am wondering where all the City Data Confederate sympathizers have been on this thread. Not a peep from them. There is overwhelming evidence that the main cause of the Civil War was slavery. Particularly the contemporary writings of the period. Somehow they always find a way to ignore it or change the subject to states rights. Ugh!
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