Mass killings and genocides since 1492 (greatest, president, Communism, countries)
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What do you really think would have happened in Cuba if Eisenhower had said "We welcome your bold experiment in socio-economic development, although it is different from ours. We are eager to see how it works. If there's anything we can do to help your people, let us know. Thank goodness that bastard Batista is gone.".
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Nonsense.
Castro knew since his days in Sierra Maestra (before 1959) that he had to kick out Americans, destroy market economy and become a totalitarian communist dictator if he wanted to be a eternal dictator.
Castro knew that his only opportunity of surviving as a eternal communist dictator was becoming a communist dictatorship just in front of the US, with an average of 5.000 million dollars in aid coming from the USSR. Money that he pilfered in stupid internationalistic wars and terrorism.
What do you really think would have happened in Cuba if Eisenhower had said "We welcome your bold experiment in socio-economic development, although it is different from ours. We are eager to see how it works. If there's anything we can do to help your people, let us know. Thank goodness that bastard Batista is gone.".
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Nonsense.
Castro knew since his days in Sierra Maestra (before 1959) that he had to kick out Americans, destroy market economy and become a totalitarian communist dictator if he wanted to be a eternal dictator.
Castro knew that his only opportunity of surviving as a eternal communist dictator was becoming a communist dictatorship just in front of the US, with an average of 5.000 million dollars in aid coming from the USSR. Money that he pilfered in stupid internationalistic wars and terrorism.
And just how do you know all that? How are you so sure that Castro could not have been dictator for life (like Batista was) and still maintained cooperative relations with the US, if the US had been willing to permit socialism to run its experimental course in one or two countries, as an alternative to Batista's Mafia-as-usual capitalism. Pro-American sweethearts like Mobutu and Marcos had no trouble being brutal tyrannical dictators for life while maintaining US relations, and even getting the US to guarantee their perpetuity as brutal dictators by equipping their police butchers with our donations of state of the art technology and firepower.
With all your objective and exhaustive research into the history of Cuba, how did it escape your attention that Castro's predecessor, Fulgencio Batista, had also achieved his life goal as "eternal dictator", with the help of the Americans? Batista could even be "dictator for life" while living in the USA, and leaving the presidency to a goon. I don't hear you whining about "destroying market economy" when mafia dons are sent to prison in the USA---what made Batista's drug, gambling and prostitution rings in Cuba so essential to the hallowed principles of free market economics?
No. Try once more to read my post. My comment referred to the intent of the USA to deny food, drugs, energy, etc. to the people who find themselves under the rule of communism.
Ah, so I should see mass starvations in Cuba too then....oh wait...we already covered that.
Ah, so I should see mass starvations in Cuba too then....oh wait...we already covered that.
Read what i wrote again. If necessary, I'm sure there are posters here willing to explain to you the elementary logical premise that what you see on the ground is not necessarily proof of what somebody's intent had been.
An historical analyst who has no grasp of Logic 101 is not something I really know how to start to deal with.
Read what i wrote again. If necessary, I'm sure there are posters here willing to explain to you the elementary logical premise that what you see on the ground is not necessarily proof of what somebody's intent had been.
An historical analyst who has no grasp of Logic 101 is not something I really know how to start to deal with.
LOL. You've utterly quit trying and are now trying to drag the thread to the bottom. You claim it's because NK is sanctioned and yet other sanctioned countries don't have the issue.
Why not blame Canada? They trade with Cuba but not NK, although most people know why.
P.S. You can have a mass killing without intent. We covered this a few pages ago but short term memory issues may be creeping up so I accept your apology for getting cranky.
It's just great watching you go to incredible lengths to try to defend NK's horrible operation because you think this is a USA vs. NK thread and it isn't. Not sure what sort of mental construct this entails but it's painful to watch.
LOL. You've utterly quit trying and are now trying to drag the thread to the bottom. You claim it's because NK is sanctioned and yet other sanctioned countries don't have the issue.
Because I said what I've got to say, clearly and distinctly, in plain English, and you refuse to read it or address it. Post #54.
Mathguy...you are pretty insulting. You sound like you are trying to prosecute jtur for some reprehensible thing. jturs argument seems a lot stronger than yours to be frank...and they are sans derision.
Insulting somebody whilst asking for more information is counter-productive in my estimation.
Mathguy...you are pretty insulting. You sound like you are trying to prosecute jtur for some reprehensible thing. jturs argument seems a lot stronger than yours to be frank...and they are sans derision.
Insulting somebody whilst asking for more information is counter-productive in my estimation.
I am left to assume that you missed post #64.
Here is my argument in a nutshell.
NK used to produce 10mil metric tons of food. back around 20 years ago.
They need 5 to feed their people.
USSR collapses which means less aid for NK and their food production starts to decline in the next few years to around 5.
Then they have bad luck and a flood and production drops to under 3.
This is during their military first and juiche programs and they'd also launched a "just eat 2 meals" campaign. So, in the face of plummetting food production they were unwilling to adjust their internal efforts. (intentional)
So, they have a famine in a country that had already been "thinned down" and by the time food aid arrives millions have starved.
15 years after the famine they still do not produce the 5mil metric tons of food as they devote resources towards other endeavors and any hiccup like a flood (which happens) puts the country into famine.
So, while it is not a genocide it is a mass killing in that the conscious allocation of resources leaves them periously short of food any time there is disruption. They can operate a successful nuclear wheapons program but can't return crop production to the level it was at 20 years ago is frankly quite telling as to their priorities.
I said the unilateral stance by the US and its influence over its allies to sanction North Korea was arbitrary, was politically motivated, it disregarded the wellbeing of the Korean people, and was a material factor in NK's economic development. If you disagree with that, offer citations or references to the contrary.
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