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Old 01-28-2011, 07:13 AM
 
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Also there was the French king Charles VI who was called ''The mad'' as he suffered from psychosis as did his grandson Henry VI of England.

French king Charles VI (the mad) 1380 - 1422

English king & grandson Henry VI 1422 - 1461
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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Hitler was already insane before he became Chancellor and became more and more insane as time went on. It's pretty obvious he was insane when he wrote Mein Kampf.

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I think that you are fusing immorality and insanity into one concept here.

Hitler's heartless behavior was a prime magnitude scale version of the same sorts of conquest cruelty which have dominated most of history, Hitler hardly had a monopoly on the barbaric treatment of others. If Hitler's conquest related behavior meant that he was insane, then we have to agree that Atilla the Hun was nuts, as were the Vikings, the Comanches, the Spanish Conquistadors, Japan's WW II army and all the Crusaders.

You can be horrible, but sane.

Hitler's final stage erractic behavior, from the time of the July '44 assassination attempt through his suicide, most likely was a consequence of his being irresponsibly over medicated by his personal quack physician, Dr. Theodor Morrell. He had Hitler on 28 different pills a day, along with an injection of methapmphetamines every two hours. The last nine months of his life, Hitler was a meth addict.

Hitler was insane to about the same degree that the members of the Westboro Baptist Church are insane.
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Old 01-28-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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Would Idi Amin count? He certainly made insane decisions as his reign dragged on.
IDI AMIN DADA, doesn't count. He was born crazy, bloodthirsty, evil and stupid monster.

An example, He once flew to England unannounced to "Visit" Queen Elizabeth II. Her Majesty, typical of her wise and soft caracter + her sense of humour asked the distinguished visitor: " To what do we owe such an unexpected and pleasant visit?" DADA answered: "I couldn't find brown shoes that fit my feet in Uganda."

If You don't believe me check out some biography of Field Marshall Idi Amin.
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Old 01-28-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.
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Old 01-28-2011, 11:56 AM
 
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George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.

Please.
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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Ivan the Terrible was a violent man who killed his favorite son, King Ludwig II was declared insane and placed under arrest. In a fit of rage,
Modern excavation and manuscripts contradict official versions. His son has died of illness in a monastery.
Have dug out tombs of his wives. Have found "mummies". Possibly them have poisoned in a long time .Arsenic. But. Who did it... Someone killes a dynasty of Rurik .
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Old 01-28-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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Hitler was already insane before he became Chancellor and became more and more insane as time went on.
1) Hitler was indeed insane before becoming chancellor, but the whole German people become insane following him up to 1945.
2) Another insane monarch was Herod the Great, who died in 4 BCE. His situation deteriorated, when he became paranoid. Later he executed his wife and 2 sons.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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On a side historical note - Herod died 4 years before the birth of Christ, yet is mentioned in the New Testament as a persecutor of baby Jesus...
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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On a side historical note - Herod died 4 years before the birth of Christ, yet is mentioned in the New Testament as a persecutor of baby Jesus...
Actually it is a close call on that one. The BC/AD distinction was not created until more than 500 years after the event, and its first version contained errors. Zero was not used, the calendar moved from 1 BC to 1 AD, thus losing an entire year by calling the year zero the year one. Further, the reconstruction was based on reviewing records of when which Roman Consuls held office, and some of these records were missing, others inaccurate, so guesswork was involved. We also are unsure if the reckoning was from the nativity on, or from the conception on, another nine month uncertainty.

The consequence is that we really do not know, nor are we ever likely to know with certainty, what year Jesus was born. 4 BC seems to be the most popularly accepted date, and if so, then Herod the Great may have still been alive. The general range of scholarly argument has fallen between 18 BC and 1AD.

However, we need not concern ourselves with the above. On behalf of the Romans, Herod had ruled over all of what had been the Hebrew homeland. Upon his death, the Romans decentralized the homerule, splitting it into three political districts, Judea (Jerusalem), Trans Jordon and Galilee, the last of which was given to Herod's son, Herod Antipas.

So, while Mathew claimed the persecution came from Herod the Great, if there was any such persecution, it might have been Herod Antipas.

However, an even greater consensus of gospel scholars sees the solution as...Mathew was full of hooey and simply passing on a mythical tale. If there was ever any Herod persecution of Hebrew infants, either by The Great or by Antipas, it completely escaped the notice of Josephus, the Romanized Jewish historian whose accounts of this time and place are all that we have to utilize in reconstructing events and vetting the biblical accounts.

We already know that Mathew was damned careless biographer who apparently worked without an editor. Mathew is the one who goes to the trouble of tracing back 500 years of generations to establish that Joseph the Carpenter was a descendant of King David. Mathew did this so that his tale of Jesus would conform to the prophecies which said that the Messiah would be born of the House of David. Then, rather hilariously, Mathew follows up this laborious geneology with the story of the immaculate conception, completely removing Joseph from the paternal picture and erasing that direct line back to David which he had worked so hard to construct.

So much for Mathew's reliability.

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Old 01-28-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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Hitler was already insane before he became Chancellor and became more and more insane as time went on. It's pretty obvious he was insane when he wrote Mein Kampf.

While Nixon certainly had a persecution complex and an incredible level of paranoia throughout his political career, he didn't snap until late in his presidency. In the final weeks before his resignation he was on suicide watch.

Eden's addiction to amphetamines made his paranoia and megalomania grow massively during Suez.
Interesting note about Nixon. He was paranoid but he wasn't paranoid enough. The Watergate break-in occurred without his knowledge, certainly without his permission, and while he and Pat were several states away.

When he heard about it (on their way back to Washington) , he immediately told Pat (his wife) that he had been set up.
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