U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > History
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply
 
Unread 03-12-2011, 11:05 PM
 
823 posts, read 1,138,869 times
Reputation: 311
Default Confederates moving capitol from Mobile to Richmond

It is interesting that you never hear much about the original confederates capitol of Mobile. I found this article that I thought maybe some would like that talks about the transition and why the transition was made.




Why the Confederate Capital Moved From Montgomery to Richmond?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Unread 03-13-2011, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
14,006 posts, read 6,420,846 times
Reputation: 7147
I've never understood the thought processes behind moving the Confederate Capital to within 100 miles of the largest concentration of Federal troops and into an area so open to attack from so many directions. Militarily, it makes no sense to me.

I've always believed Charleston would have been a better choice, not only because it was more easily defensible (it was never taken from the sea) but because politically, it was the seedbed of revolution and the most hated southern city by the northerner's. As history ultimately showed, the north would spare no expense to take it.

All moving the captiol to Richmond did was to consign northern Viriginia to the pits of hell. By the time the war was over, that part of the state was wiped clean of any semblance of civilization and stripped bare of it's resources, including most of it's timber. It took decades to recover.

If Wilmer McClean could see that coming, why couldn't Jeff Davis?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-13-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: un peu près de Chicago
625 posts, read 654,058 times
Reputation: 320
Default Confederates moving capitol from Mobile to Richmond

Quote:
Originally Posted by CelticViking View Post
It is interesting that you never hear much about the original confederates capitol of Mobile.
That's probably because the Confederate capital was never Mobile.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-13-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on Turtle Island
2,049 posts, read 1,152,624 times
Reputation: 1430
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zea mays View Post
That's probably because the Confederate capital was never Mobile.
Yep, it was Montgomery.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-13-2011, 01:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
4,258 posts, read 3,452,724 times
Reputation: 1362
Quote:
Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
I've never understood the thought processes behind moving the Confederate Capital to within 100 miles of the largest concentration of Federal troops and into an area so open to attack from so many directions. Militarily, it makes no sense to me.
Virginia was easier to defend. There was only ~150 miles of front lines bound by the ocean on one side and the Appalachian mountain range on the other. Even better, there were no north-south flowing rivers that the superior Union navy could use to attack. They would need to engage the Confederates on land exclusively, without naval support.

Compare this to Montgomery. It is located halfway between an enormous front with no geographic barriers. The Confederate army in the west was much smaller and poorly equipped, and in fact had to constantly be on the move in order to match federal incursions. Combine that with easy to navigate rivers such as the Tennessee (which partially flowed through Alabama) and you have a serious disadvantage.

Federal armies were no smaller in the west, recall that Holleck descended on Corinth with an army larger than 120,000 vs. a rebel army half that size.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-13-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: New York City
2,777 posts, read 1,780,551 times
Reputation: 1526
Richmond would have to be defended anyway, even if it weren't the capital. Virginia was crucial to the rebel war effort.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-13-2011, 04:38 PM
 
823 posts, read 1,138,869 times
Reputation: 311
I mean Montgomery...haha
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-13-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
14,006 posts, read 6,420,846 times
Reputation: 7147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankie117 View Post
Virginia was easier to defend. There was only ~150 miles of front lines bound by the ocean on one side and the Appalachian mountain range on the other. Even better, there were no north-south flowing rivers that the superior Union navy could use to attack. They would need to engage the Confederates on land exclusively, without naval support.

Compare this to Montgomery. It is located halfway between an enormous front with no geographic barriers. The Confederate army in the west was much smaller and poorly equipped, and in fact had to constantly be on the move in order to match federal incursions. Combine that with easy to navigate rivers such as the Tennessee (which partially flowed through Alabama) and you have a serious disadvantage.

Federal armies were no smaller in the west, recall that Holleck descended on Corinth with an army larger than 120,000 vs. a rebel army half that size.

The federal's first, serious advance on Richmond was by sea and up the James River, which led right into the heart of Richmond. Were it not for McClelland allowing his force to be divided by the flooded Chickahominy and the failure to subdue the Confederate battery at Drewery's Bluff, they might have succeeded.

You're right about Virginia between Richmond and Washington as being defensible because there are several major rivers which cut across the federal's route of advance. However, those were just hinderances, not barriers, as even poor old Burnside proved when he forced a passage over the Rappahannock in the face of rebel opposition.

And, I wasn't talking about Montgomery as a better choice. I was talking about Charleston, SC.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-14-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago
7,931 posts, read 8,244,179 times
Reputation: 5052
Well as Grant (and Linclon and sometimes even Halleck) was aware the proper goal should've been the destruction of rebel armies not the occupation of real estate. Real estate was important insofar as it aided the destruction of enemy armies. Putting aside of course such political war goals as the occupation of east Tennessee to aid it's Unionists.

That Lee was required to defend Richmond made it a handy anvil against which to smash his army.

Montgomery is harder to approach than Richmond and was more easily approached by way of Mobile than by the Tennessee River which dips down into northern Alabama but which is quite a distance from Montgomery. An overland approach down from the Tennessee would have no railroad to base logistics on; Montgomery had railroad connections to Mobile, Pensacola and Atlanta but none to the Tennessee River except by way of Atlanta and Chattanooga.

The most important line of advance for the Federal western armies was the Louisville-Nashville-Chattanooga-Atlanta one which was the axis that ended up causing the most destruction to the main rebel western army. Unfortunately the Federal army given that job had commanders almost as inept and slow as those as the Army of the Potomac and it was only after the energetic Army of the Tennessee turned it's attention to that line after the fall of the Mississippi line that The Army of the Cumberland picked up it's pace.

Last edited by Irishtom29; 03-14-2011 at 10:10 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Unread 03-14-2011, 10:46 AM
 
Location: MichOhioigan
1,403 posts, read 1,128,471 times
Reputation: 1122
I am not a historian so I am just taking a stab at this.

There is a concept in urban geography known as a forward capital. Basically this is when a nation relocates its capital to the periphery for economic or political reasons, or to reorient the focus of the nation's culture. Moscow is a classic example.

Perhaps by relocating the capital to Richmond the South hoped to pull Maryland and Delaware into their fold. Additionally, by having a slant toward the Atlantic seaboard maybe they thought would help in luring Great Britain and other European powers to their side.

Just a thought.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $53,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $47,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > History

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:18 PM.

© 2005-2013, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24 - Top