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Old 09-01-2011, 03:10 PM
 
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I don't think everyone undertsand this question, someone that has a brian could tell because? Because what this question is all about is look at the map of United States from North to South especially from Minnesota to Louisana and tell what could make these two states so different, from food, culture, ethnic demographic ( not only race) way of life. These is what this question is about, remember in your high school history what you teacher told you.
...and as I said in post #11:

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Mickey, the point was understood, but what people were very correctly pointing out is that the same phenomenon exists in many countries, meaning the United States is not really different or unique in that aspect. Some of the best examples are Russia, China and India. Lesser ones would be the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy.

The question that still remains is other than pointing out this fact, what's the thesis we are going for here? Does the existence of this phenomenon provide a source of strength or weakness...something else? Are you trying to get at something beyond the mere acknowledgement that such a situation exists?
You're aboslutely right that this situation exists across the United States and many other countries, from north to south from east to west, even within individual states there are recognizable differences in culture, ethnicity, etc. The question remains what you getting at?
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Old 09-06-2011, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Here in Canada we have two nations within one country. The Quebec parliament is even called The National assembly. I suppose that really we have 100 plus nations within Canada as the native bands are "Nations" within the nation.
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Old 06-09-2013, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Here in Canada we have two nations within one country. The Quebec parliament is even called The National assembly. I suppose that really we have 100 plus nations within Canada as the native bands are "Nations" within the nation.
Ken Burns recalled a story in his Civil war documentary of the commander of a burial detail after the Battle of Chickamagua who asked whether the dead should be buried in regimental order -- regiments being linked to individual states.

The reply was "No, mix them up; we've seen quite enough of the effect of 'states' rights' ".

That story, plus the recognition that over the years, our diplomats dropped the phrase "the United States are" in favor of "the United States is", says something about the fine arts of statecraft and nation-building.

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Old 06-10-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Almost every country consists of at least two nations:

1) The capital (or major city) and its suburbs
2) All the rest.

There is where you find the most significant division among peoples of a nation. Mexico would be a glaring example of this. Athens, and Outer Greece. Bangkok and Outer Thailand. Kinshasa and Outer Congo.

Even in the US, New York City is one nation, and all the rest of the country is fairly uniformly and conspicuously "Not New York City". Los Angeles, Des Moines and Paducah have more in common with each other, than any of them has to New York City.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:17 PM
 
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Reminds me of something I once read, prior to the civil war, the phrasing was "The United States are..." After the civil war, it became "The United States is..."
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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I don't think everyone undertsand this question, someone that has a brian could tell because? Because what this question is all about is look at the map of United States from North to South especially from Minnesota to Louisana and tell what could make these two states so different, from food, culture, ethnic demographic ( not only race) way of life. These is what this question is about, remember in your high school history what you teacher told you.
Mickey. Slow down for a second and listen. I promise the problem here isn't that you are the only one who's enormous brain can wrap itself around this insight, while the rest of us stare on with blank expressions as our puny minds struggle to understand you. We get it. Those two states are in the same country, but are very different from each other. What you don't seem to understand-the point being made by literally a dozen people here- is that those contrasts are matched and often far surpassed in other pairs of states/regions in many countries around the world.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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We have 50 nations within the United States, each one of them is a sovereign nation in it's own right. We call them states.

Some could argue that Puerto Rico is also a nation within the United States at least in the cultural sense. However on the other hand 95% of Puerto Ricans reject the idea of becoming a nation in the political sense.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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We have 50 nations within the United States, each one of them is a sovereign nation in it's own right. We call them states.
The only sovereign quasi nations in the U.S. are Native American tribal areas. The 50 states are just that, states, political subdivisions within a national government which is sovereign.

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becoming a nation in the political sense.
There is another sense or than political?
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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The only sovereign quasi nations in the U.S. are Native American tribal areas. The 50 states are just that, states, political subdivisions within a national government which is sovereign.
Its more complicated than that.

U.S. state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A state of the United States of America is one of the fifty constituent political entities that shares its sovereignty with the United States federal government. Because of the shared sovereignty between each U.S. state and the U.S. federal government, an American is a citizen of both the federal republic and of his or her state of domicile.[1] State citizenship and residency are flexible and no government approval is required to move between states, except for persons covered by certain types of court orders (e.g., paroled convicts and children of divorced spouses who are sharing custody).

The United States Constitution allocates certain powers to the federal government. It also places limitations on the federal and state governments. State governments are allocated power by the people (of each respective state) through their individual constitutions. By ratifying the United States Constitution, the states transferred certain limited sovereign powers to the federal government. Under the Tenth Amendment, "all powers not delegated to the federal government nor prohibited to the states are retained by the states or the people".

To many Americans, the Federal Government has long overstepped its proper political boundaries, has become a huge tax drain on state and local economies, has been captured by corporate interests and is constantly getting us involved in one international problem after another.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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Its more complicated than that.
True but... and this may boil down to a semantical argument but an important one nonetheless because the federal government doesn't "share" its sovereignty with the states but rather grants to the states certain limited powers. Conversely the state's grant nothing to the federal government since the compact is between the People and the federal government not the states and the national government. The national government and its laws are supreme. The powers of the federal government are limited by the Constitution not by any state statute.
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